... If Ben Hur would have been having a Ferrari engine ;-)
Best,
Paolo
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Il 04/08/2014 22:16, David van Ooijen ha scritto:
Jam the gears and dope the pegheads. ;-)
Re extended/modern techniques on early instruments:
When you see the Buddha on the road, kill him. (But it takes Buddha to
do so.) Iaw, when you want to make your own school of lute playing,
find your own voice, write your own music and generally are not
interested in finding out about how to play Francesco, Dowland or
Weiss, please go ahead.
But if If you want to play Weiss et al, try and figure out how Weiss
played. If Weiss would have had a guitar/guitar-lute/used another
technique on his B-lute, played with nails, no-pinky, above the rose,
whatever, he would have written different music. Same argument with 'if
Bach would have a Steinway he would have loved it'. Sure he would have
loved it, who knows? But he certainly would have written different
music. The instrument you have, its shortcomings and strong point, and
the way you play it, what kind of tone production you favour, will
influence the music you write for it. This is not an argument about
what way is the best, but about what your goal in playing lute is. No
argument there.
David - loves it all
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On 4 August 2014 20:56, Dan Winheld [2]<[3][email protected]> wrote:
I hate them on my own instrument because it came with them & I'm
stuck with them. Dan Larson installed them. It was a prototype; not
a built-to-order instrument, and I was damned lucky to get it.
Everything south of the pegbox is the best Renaissance lute I've
ever played or owned- but those abominable, Satanic Frankenpeg
things slip a lot & need to be jammed in with great force to hold
(while taking care not tear off the pegbox). Since this first lute
was built, the pegs themselves- as well as Dan's skill at
installing- them have improved exponentially. I would not consider
getting an Orpharion or Bandora without them, but I still wouldn't
order them for any kind of lute.
A I have a couple of the guitar cranky things, they do work on the
lute pegs as well as on my guitars tuners, but it's still much, much
more troublesome to change a string compared popping out a regular
peg. Not a big deal except for the 1st course, even synthetics are
the ones that go the most frequently. I may change over just that
one peg to a traditional, real peg if I can get someone to redo the
holes to accommodate a normal peg.
Dan
On 8/4/2014 11:06 AM, Tobiah wrote:
On 08/04/2014 10:56 AM, Dan Winheld wrote:
I only hate them on my own instrument. On all the others I've tried,
including one of my Baroque lute student's new Larson Burkholtzer
copy, I grudgingly admit that they are fabulous. Until you have to
change a string. :-D
Right. A I have a little crank designed to help with changing
strings
on a guitar. A You slide it over the little tuning handle and crank
away. A It goes pretty quickly. A Are you saying you hate them on
your own instrument and so you don't install them, or that you have
them and hate them, but only on your instrument?
On 8/4/2014 10:44 AM, Edward Martin wrote:
aYes, Nancy is correct. A I do use pegheds on my 11-course baroque
lute, and my vihuela as well. A They are absolutely marvelous, a
new revelation in tuning. A One can tune easily, more accurately
than before, and much quicker. A a
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Nancy Carlin
[3]<[1][4][email protected]> wrote:
About the pegs - guitar tuning pegs would be so heavy that the
instruments would be listing toward the left in our laps.
Fortunately the Peghead people have pegs that works well on lutes,
vihuelas and orpharions. [2][5][4]http://www.pegheds.com/ I have peg
heads on one of my orpharions and love them. They look like regular
lute pegs and the tuning is a dream. A They are especially nice
with my wire strings - now I spend more time playing and less time
tuning. A The tiny gears inside the peg are configured so that you
turn the peg something like 3 times more than a wooden peg. There
are a couple of other people with Pegheads on the luts list - Dan
Winheld is not a fan of them, but Ed Martin has them on a baroque
lute and he likes them.
I sometimes get a sense however that there is some taboo in
searching out new adaptations of lute music or lutes themselves. A
I've long lamented the apparent resistance of using modern tuning
machines on a lute for example. A Had they been available at the
time, I'm rather certain that the old masters would have joyously
adopted them. A I guess it's like asking what Bach would have done
if he had a pedal. I'm more interested in what I will do now that I
have one.
Tobiah
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USA [5]925 / 686-5800 [6][8]www.groundsanddivisions.info
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[13][10]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org/ 5. tel:925%20%2F%20686-5800 6.
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5. [17]http://www.pegheds.com/
6. [18]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
7. [19]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org/
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