Roger de Piles, a 17th century French art historian marvelled that the Romans had reached a high degree of civilization and yet had failed to invent underwear. Hi did concede that they bathed a lot. But still...

Elizabeth I's stockings are preciously preserved in Hatfield where they can still be admired for a fee.


On 09/17/2016 11:22 AM, John Mardinly wrote:
    An excellent parallel would be in The Countess of Pembroke, Mary
    Sidney, being credited for authorship of Shakespeare's plays. Or is it
    Pembrooke? In any case, in addition to shoes, I am sure they wore
    underwear, but there is little (as little as possible, I hope) written
    about that.

    [1]http://www.marysidneysociety.org

    A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
    Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
    EMail: [2]john.mardi...@asu.edu
    Cell: [3]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs)
    But don't call the lab....I won't be there!

    On Sep 17, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Ron Andrico <[4]praelu...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

      Ron reads his own pages and retains the information.  The blog post
      Howard referenced has to do with Dowland's Marenzio connection and
      perhaps D's source of the Lachrimae motif.  See my earlier response.
      RA
        __________________________________________________________________
      From: [5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
    behalf
      of David van Ooijen <[7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com>
      Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 6:46 AM
      Cc: Lute List
      Subject: [LUTE] Re: composed for the lute?
         On 17 September 2016 at 08:37, howard posner
         <[1][8]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
           Ron himself has brought up the Marenzio connection on his page:
           [2][9]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__migna
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         Well, there you go then. But maybe Ron doesn't read his own pages.
         David
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    5. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
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