There is really nothing Segovian about it.

A Segovian usually means unmusical, sloppy, irritating etc.


On 10/11/2016 5:09 AM, Diego Cantalupi wrote:
The question is different:

why one should play a baroque lute concerto on a lute-shaped guitar
using an old fashon Segovian style?

Il 11/10/2016 10:47, Jarosław Lipski ha scritto:
On 11 Oct 2016, at 01:37, Roman Turovsky <> wrote:

Not really. There are a lot of factors in LF manufacture that are
absent is this.

Many people play single-strung archlutes with nails, some without.
Stephen Stubbs with, Konrad Junghaenel and Konstantin Bozhinov without.


Sure, I am not criticising anyone. On the contrary, I said Luca’s
performance was very successful. On the other hand one may ask
questions like: why someone plays single strung archlute if there is
little evidence for this type of instrument, why someone uses
fingernails if the evidence speaks against using them, and why
someone uses amplification (Noble prize for someone who’ll find any
evidence for this :)) And if all of this is used simultaneously, then
one may assume it is not coincidental. Why? Because it is much more
guitar-like, and most of lute players started their musical education
as guitarists. Another problem is the fear of not being heard by an
audience especially when playing in a group .
Again, I am not criticising, however it should be pointed out that
there are 2 ways of looking at authenticity IMHO, and someone who has
no experience in early music may feel a little bit confused.

On 10/10/2016 5:33 PM, Jarosław Lipski wrote:
Name it as you like, for me it’s a Liuto forte. There is another
version of RV93 played by Luca here
The whole instrument is single strung again, and the evidence for
this type of archlute stringing is very scarce as Howard rightly
noticed. Luca uses fingernails, so this is another factor that
influences the overall sound (not only mics).

On 10 Oct 2016, at 22:28, Roman Turovsky <>

on a good authority of RT.
Luca has at least 2 of these, one with a much longer extension.

On 10/10/2016 4:16 PM, Jarosław Lipski wrote:
Really? Is there any evidence to support this theory?

On 10 Oct 2016, at 22:15, Roman Turovsky <>

It is certainly NOT a liuto-forte, but a single-strung archlute
by Luc Breton.

On 10/10/2016 2:06 PM, Jarosław Lipski wrote:
The instrument in question is not an archlute or liuto
attiorbato, but a liuto forte. Some lute players like Luca
Pianca, Luciano Contini, Eric Bellocq and many others use it,
however I would be far from saying that this is a historical
instrument - see here
<> It’s easier to
play and was specially created with guitarists in mind.
Also Lucas fingering in Vivaldi isn’t really Baroque.
Having said that, his performance from musical point of view
was successful, and I am glad to see people talking about music
on this list :)

On 10 Oct 2016, at 18:23, howard posner
<> wrote:

On Oct 10, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Diego Cantalupi
<> wrote:

The main problem to me, is that the concerto is played in C,
and not. in D.
It's easier on a G archlute, but sounds to me very strange
for the violins.
Luca plays an archlute/liuto attiorbato in A.  I believe
Giardino Armonico plays at A 415. I’m guessing the
pitch is lowered on the Youtube video we’re talking
about.  This is commonly done to avoid detection by copyright

Here’s a recording of Giardino and Luca doing the same
concerto, sounding in D at A 415:

Of course, it’s possible that the sound is adjusted up
on this one.

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