So my suspicion that it could drive you nuts was well founded. Sounds like you may be an under-appreciated hero to Lutedom.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer On Feb 12, 2017, at 7:33 AM, LSA Lute Rental Program <[1][email protected]> wrote: John, You are quite right and that would do much to solve the roundness problem. But my other problem is that the rental lutes are stored in 3 places across the US and since they are rentals they are rented out to people. This means we don't have access to the lutes because they are in the hands of the renters...sometimes for several years at a time. There are lutes in the collection that I have never even seen in person much less put my hands on so I can do things like you suggest. That is why I wish I could put PegHedz on them all--because I can't care for the friction pegs and even though I may ask renters to do so they are renters and not owners and sometimes their motivation to be thorough in care is, well, somewhat diminished to put it mildly. I also think renters would benefit from them as, to me, tuning is much easier and for people who are renting (this almost always means they are new to the lute--which is why they are renting) it would be, in my opinion, a benefit. But this is all just theoretical since we don't have the money it costs to replace the pegs. So we will live with what we have and I will deal with peg problems as they come up. Michael Michael M. Grant, PhD Director, Lute Rental Program Member, Board of Directors [uc?id9TJhsqVKmGMNWhuR19WWXJYQU0&export=download] [2]www.lutesocietyofamerica.org On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 11:46 PM, John Mardinly <[3][email protected]> wrote: Michael; With standard pegs, they won't go out of round if you maintain them properly. That means loosening the peg by turning it and pulling out a bit so that there is just light pressure between the wooden parts. That compensates for the dimensional changes caused by humidity changes. Of course that throws the instrument out of tune, which means you might need to re-tune it, and if you have 42 lutesâ¦â¦you will need extra staff, medical marijuana or psychiatric treatment. However, you probably already know this. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer On Feb 11, 2017, at 5:32 PM, LSA Lute Rental Program <[4][email protected]> wrote: About once a year the topic of planetary tuners comes up on this listserve. People weigh in for and against, sometimes (like last year) the discussion gets overheated as some who are against cite historical authenticity and other factors as reasons against and those who are for them cite the "make it easy on yourself--adopt modern methods" position to support their use. Then, after the dust settles, we discover we are pretty much evenly split for and against and the issue dies down only to rise again in 12 months. For those who do not wish to use planetary tuners, the most notable example of which is PegHedz, their best approach is not to use them. For those, like me, who have used them and like them very much indeed, the best approach is to keep using them. I have 42 instruments in the LSA's lute rental collection and if I had the money to do so I would install PegHedz on every single one. The LSA neither supports nor does not support the use of any particular tuner, including friction pegs or planetary tuners such as PegHedz. I am only telling you that I think they are such a valuable resource that I would put them on all the lutes if it could be afforded. It can't so I won't. But if I did it would forever eliminate the problem that aging lutes have of pegs that become out of round and needing replacing or retooling. It would also make tuning much easier for beginners--but that is just my opinion. So it seems best for us to use what we like as tuners and focus on the music we make with the strings. Let us all continue to make beautiful music no matter what method we use to tension our strings. Michael On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 5:53 PM Charles Mokotoff <[1][5][email protected]> wrote: Seems we are about 50/50 split on the peghedz... FWIW, I have used this device: [1][2][6]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- 3A__www.amazon.com_Ernie-2DBall-2DPowerpeg-2DBattery- 2DPowered_dp_&d=DQIBAg&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r= MAuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ&m=NIRfj- oODuubeNdT31nk3d6Py8Hum4Es2kpGPoRLDp4&s=Z3rK7eE8clhRRlhovKEvSBAiguoaVa ubyu-ARWOJktY&e= B0019H 6750/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid86853424&sr=8-1& to get around the tedium of string changing, its sort of fun actually, and fits my pegs fine. Admittedly, once I got the set correct, I change lute strings very rarely. On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 5:10 PM, <[2][3][7][email protected]> wrote: Dear All, I really don't think the planetary tuning pegs are necessary for a lute with good-fitting pegs. I find that a small amount of violin "peg dope" -- the hard, waxy type, not the softer gooey type -- is all the help my lute and vihuela pegs need. On the other hand, I did get them installed on my cittern, and they are a godsend. So, like Ms. Carlin, I would recommend them for wire-strung instruments, which have greater tuning difficulties. Cheers, Jim Stimson On 02/11/17, Roman Turovsky<[3][4][8][email protected]> wrote: A question for the Collective Wisdom: Looking for opinions on planetary tuners for lutes or vihuelas, cautionary tales, where to get them, which brands, how to install etc. Thank ye all, RT To get on or off this list see list information at [1][4][5][9]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/ url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute- 2Dadmin_index.html&d=DQIBAg&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQ uZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=MAuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ&m=NIRfj- oODuubeNdT31nk3d6Py8Hum4Es2kpGPoRLDp4&s=-3VZ_ SKtkLan7EGUsXQlVPSOKFA6y5CUtYu2eQmR9Nc&e= References 1. [5][6][10]https://urldefense. proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_&d=DQIBAg&c= AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r= MAuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ&m=NIRfj- oODuubeNdT31nk3d6Py8Hum4Es2kpGPoRLDp4&s=0T6I0n77iHZPaiNDyIYUbPRFtNAlqu bFoXqthtwgw2E&e= -- References 1. 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