Thanks Mathias, See my reply to Ralf which covers some of these points.
But to amplify about the the name: I think the point is where
did Janowka's names (ie Galizona, or Colachon) themselves spring from
in the first place? In lieu of other evidence, I'm still of the view
of the Italian colascione link. I don't of course mean that the
Bohemian instrument developed from the Italian instrument, merely that
it provided inspiration for the name as also being a long (very long
for the colascioneinstrument) necked lute with many fewer strings than
the contemporary lute
Martyn
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From: Mathias Rösel <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>
To: 'lutelist Net' <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2017, 17:00
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Building a lute - decision
The gallichon (numerous other cognates) is an instrument invented in
Bohemia around 1660 to take advantage of the newly invented overwound
strings - it became popular in central Europe and Northern German
states. The earlier version was generally tuned with the first course
at a (top line of bass clef) with six strings tuned in intervals
below
like the modern guitar.
Not a e B G D C? (Talbot; Janowka)
No doubt the name came from a germanic language
corruption of the existing 3 and 4 string Italian colascione
According to Janowka, who was Bohemian, its original name was Galizona,
or
Colachon. No doubt, it was confused with the colascione, but my guess
would
be that names like Galizona, Calichon, Colachon originated in a Slavic
environment, rather than Germanic.
Mathias
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From: Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
To: Andreas Schlegel <[2]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch>; lutelist Net
<[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2017, 8:26
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Building a lute - decision
Thank you Andreas,
I assume Galizona/Gallichon/Colachon/Colascione is probably the same
word...
This one you show is quite "new".
The four string colascione (or similar, if I'm correct I have seen
one
with a turtoise shell, also called colascione in Berlin....) was
chosen
to be adapted to 4 string electric bass players. Frankly, I don't
care
if it's unhistoric if I play my 7c Renaissance Lute to it. I want a
band
that doesn't need amps and plays passamezzo instead of blues, or
Elslein
instead of Somewhere over the Rainbow, it's for improvisational
purposes.
..and you didn't contribute an answer to my question...
The instrument is very nice though. That is along the lines, just 2
string too many.
Am 31.08.2017 um 09:05 schrieb Andreas Schlegel:
>
> Am 31.08.2017 um 05:42 schrieb Tristan von Neumann
> <[1][4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
<mailto:[2][5]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>>:
>
>> Sorry for all the questions at once, but there have come up many
as
I
>> am self-taught...
>> I guess most of you had the urge to build a lute, some may have
tried,
>> some became luthiers...
>> I have the following problem: I am extremely low on budget.
>> Yet, I want to try. I don't care if the wood isn't prime.
>> I have a good source for pieces, which I will probably be able to
cut
>> with my saw. I own or will own only the most basic tools and will
try
>> to contruct some myself.
>> The glue will have to rest on a candle, and the bending metal too.
>> I found a blog report of building a lute with old methods.
>> I have even seen a report about someone who built a violin with,
>> literally, stone age methods. The result was amazing. It didn't
look
>> as smooth and polished, but it sounded extremely warm and
soothing.
>> I assume I will face some problems that way.
>> My ambitious plan is to build
>> 1. a small bodied colascione with 4 strings to give to electric
bass
>> players in the park so we can play together
>
> Dear Tristan,
>
> The Colascione was - as far as we know until today - never used
outside
> of the Neapolitan culture (but Neapolitan players went also to
Dresden,
> f.ex.). So the use of the Colascione in the lute context is a
modern
> invention.
> But there's a similar instrument of the lute family: the Galizona.
> I enclose you a text on that topic which will be published soon.
> And pictures of my Galizona, a copy of the Edlinger instrument from
1718
> (or 28?) which is in Prag (Jiri Cepelak read this label "1718", but
the
> third cipher is not really clear). For pictures of the original see
here:
> [3][6]http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/38b.htm
>
> All the best,
>
> Andreas
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> 2. a Renaissance guitar to give to Ukulele players
>> 3. a 6 course Lute after Laux Maler for myself, as I own a
somewhat
>> flawed lute (7 course, and I like it still because it's my first)
>>
>> I also like to build one of the above to find out what may be the
>> problem with my lute (towards the top strings, the tone of
unfretted
>> strings is never stable, even with new strings - maybe someone can
>> identify that).
>> My question is: what instrument would be the most reasonable to
build
>> first, so I face less frustrating situations when making myself
>> familiar with this kind of work. I have experience in building
>> speakers, and I built a not really satisfying symphony hurdy-gurdy
>> from hardware store materials. (The wood for the wheel was too
soft,
>> and the body was modern plywood...etc, needs some work and will
still
>> not be medieval...).
>> I would rather invest my time in a plucked string project.
>> What would the experienced amongst you advise, given the
restrictions
>> above?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tristan
>>
>>
>>
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