As for "not professionally played" all lutes we saw from Toyohiko
Satoh, Nigel North, Hopkinson Smith, Konrad Junghaenel were 147 or
less..... Maybe these are not professional enough performers to Roman's
opinion....We, the modest amatures are about to complete the Weiss duet
CD on this terribly dangerous spacing:)))) Somehow it works already
about 20 years with us and students of above mentioned greatly
respected players. As for provocative course of Roman's comments it is
surely about something else:))), maybe again it is time to call Wayne -
admin to sort it out as many times before:)))))
Thanks dear lute friends for your time here fighting for the truth!
Love, LUTEDUO
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From: Markus Lutz <mar...@gmlutz.de>
To: Lutelist <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 6:15 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: 13 corse baroque lute looking for a responsible
owner :)
Dear Steven,
I think that probably always the width between the 1st and 13th string
is meant. In the list of the Hoffmann book they also give the width of
the whole bridge and specify the string width.
e.g. for MH9 (13c) string width is given as 139mm and bridge width as
193mm for the whole bridge and 153mm for the inner width (without the
outer endings).
Best regards
Markus
Am 07.10.2017 um 13:44 schrieb Steven Farrelly-Jackson:
> Dear Markus,
>
> With reference to your list of historic bridges, are the measurements
> given of the whole top of the bridge itself, or just of the width
> between the 1st and 13th courses? Everyone in the email string has
just
> made reference to "bridge width," but I see you specify "width of
> strings." Or does "bridge width" just mean "width of strings" for the
> cognoscenti?!
>
> Many thanks and best wishes,
> Steven
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 5:38 AM, Markus Lutz <[1]mar...@gmlutz.de
> <mailto:[2]mar...@gmlutz.de>> wrote:
>
> The measurements I refer to stem from the new book "Martin und
> Johann Christian Hoffmann" by Eszter Fontana, Veit Heller and
Klaus
> Martius, page 315.
>
> They list up 7 supposedly historic bridges, width of strings (MH =
> Martin Hoffmann, JCH = Johann Christian Hoffmann):
> MH 9 Nürnberg 169[?] 13c 139mm (DvE: 142)
> JCH 3 Brüssel 1716 11c 123mm
> JCH 6 Leipzig 1720/32 14c 154mm (DvE: 153)
> JCH 21 Brüssel 1730 13c 140mm (DvE: 142)
> JCH 29 London, undat. 13c 147mm (DvE: 148)
> JCH 38 Berlin, undat. 13c 146mm (DvE: 145)
> JCH R7 Kopenhagen 1741 13c 149mm
>
> There seem to be slight differences between Dave's and Klaus's
> measurements (DvE = Dave van Edwards; I tried to give the
> measurements here for comparison) ...
>
> .. and btw - I would say, it should be an easy task for any
> lutemaker to exchange a bridge, if it is too small or too big ,-).
>
> Best regards
> Markus
>
>
>
> Am 06.10.2017 um 11:14 schrieb Jean-Marie Poirier:
>
> According to David Van Ewdwards measurements, here are the
> results for lutes by the Hoffmanns :
>
> HOFFMANN, JC c. 1754 Horniman Museum
> 148
> HOFFMANN, J C c. 1720 Berlin, No. 129
29
> 145
> HOFFMANN, J C c. 1720 London, Horniman 1975 506
> LAB 4792 148
> HOFFMANN, J C 1720 Leipzig 506
> 153
> HOFFMANN, Martin 169. Nurnberg GNM MI 245
> 142
> HOFFMANN, J. C. 1730 Brussels, Musée
> Instrumental M 3188 142
> HOFFMANN, J. C. 1720 Paris CNSM E 529
> 146
> HOFFMANN, J. C. Leningrad /St. Petersburg 1346
> 145
> HOFFMANN, Martin 169? Nürnberg MI 245
> 142
>
> I have a copy of Martin Hoffmann's lute from the Nurnberg
museum
> and I asked for a wider bridge at 155 because I like to have
> some space between courses !
> It's all amatter of personal preference indeed !
>
> All the best,
> Jean-Marie
>
>
> --------------
>
> Hi Roman,
> 140mm is definitely in the range of the historic bridges
of
> the Hoffmann
> lutes, which have widths between 139 mm (MH 9) and 149 mm
> (JCH R 7).
> The baroque lute of Le Luth Dore also has 140mm, which is
-
> in my very
> personal opinion - really good to handle.
>
> But as Matthew said, that is really a personal preference.
> And indeed it
> is necessary to try that for yourself.
>
> Best regards
> Markus
>
>
>
>
> Am 06.10.2017 um 10:20 schrieb Matthew Daillie:
>
> That is a personal preference, Roman, as it must have
> been at the time considering the great variation in
> historic bridge spans.
> Best,
> Matthew
>
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2017, at 2:39, Roman Turovsky
> <[3]r.turov...@gmail.com
<mailto:[4]r.turov...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> 140mm bridge width? Caveat emptor.
> RT
>
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