and then there is the Algerian mandola used in traditional Andaluz
music.. and chaabi
[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWyqe4yNe4E
Bruno
2017-12-06 15:58 GMT-05:00 Braig, Eugene <[2]brai...@osu.edu>:
Keep in mind that the modern application of "mandola" to a
wire-strung tenor instrument tuned G, d, a, e' isn't universal.
"Mandola" is also applied to the alto instrument tuned c, g, d', a'
in most English-speaking places.
Best,
Eugene
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From: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[4]lute-arc@cs.dartmouth.
edu] On Behalf Of Alain Veylit
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 11:17 AM
To: Lutelist
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mandolino versus Mandola
Thank you Eugene.
From having read a variety of sources now, my current understanding
is that the mandola is a mandolino with one additional course: i.e.
5-courses when the mandolino had 4, and 6 when the mandolino had 5.
It's all relative... Specially if you consider that the modern
mandola seems to be a bass mandolin, tuned in fifth one octave down.
Yet, at least one piece in the Dalla Casa collection labelled for
mandolino requires a 6-course instrument.
Anyone Italian who could tell me what the meaning of the word
"Gordini"
is? (I don't mean the Renault sports car...) Was it a profession?
Alain
On 12/04/2017 07:40 PM, Braig, Eugene wrote:
> I had used a word that the listserv's robot flags as a request
instead of a message. Here remedied with far more words than
necessary.
>
> Eugene
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Braig, Eugene
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 7:39 PM
> To: Lutelist
> Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: Mandolino versus Mandola
>
> I'm also quite excited to see this article, Davide, but back
issues don't appear to be available for sale yet, and my university
doesn't [pay a fee to periodically receive editions of] the British
journal.
>
> Some sources attest to the (largely) interchangeable nature of the
terms, and some attest to "mandola" referring to generally larger
instruments (e.g., in both cases, Herre, Susanne. 2012. The mandolin
in relation to the lute: a historical survey. Lute News 104:9â23.
In the latter case, Morey, Stephen. 1993. Mandolins of the 18th
Century. Editrice Turris, Cremona. Etc.). I've seen Orlandi
write in at least one place (I don't recall which, but can look for
the reference if you're really curious) that "mandola" may have
simply referred to the addition of the sixth course (i.e., g) as it
was becoming more common following a five-course-dominated
tradition. That may be implied by the Dalla Casa manuscript which
gives a "mandolino" tuning in five courses (i.e., b, e', a', d'',
g'') and several works for "mandolino" in that range, but that also
features a "Suonata con Grave" for "mandola" with the melody line
descending below. Etc. . . . But you've already touched on al!
l those possibilities, and I suspect from the same sources that I
cite here (as well as a couple others), Alain.
>
> However, I don't want to weigh too heavily upon this topic until
I've seen what Davide has recently published.
>
> Best,
> Eugene
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
[mailto:[6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
> Behalf Of Alain Veylit
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 1:17 PM
> To: Davide Rebuffa
> Cc: Lutelist
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mandolino versus Mandola
>
> Thank you Davide,
>
> I have read this one: "A Partita by Filippo Sauli, theorbo and
mandolin player to the Habsburgs Courtin Wien" with much interest
and I am sure your article in Lute news would be answering some of
my questions. I am not sure however that I will be able to get a
copy in the near future.
>
>
> On 12/03/2017 09:41 AM, Davide Rebuffa wrote:
>> Dear Alain,
>> perhaps it may help you reading my article (The mandolino in the
17th and 18th centuries), recently published by the Lute Society:
LUTE NEWS Number 123 - October 2017.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Davide
>>
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>>> Il giorno 03 dic 2017, alle ore 17:38, Alain Veylit
<[7]al...@musickshandmade.com> ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what exact differences existed between the
mandolino and the mandola in the 18th century? Were the two terms
really interchangeable? Was the mandola just a mandolino with one
added bass course? Did they share a common tuning and playing
technique?
>>> From what I gather from searching the WEB, the answer to
those questions would be yes, but I am still puzzled and would like
to have the opinion of mandolino/mandola players and instrument
makers if at all possible. And maybe also linguists: why two words?
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Alain
>>> PS: I have read James Tyler's article on the mandolino in Early
Music, 1981, but don't have a copy of his book "The early
mandolin".
>>>
>>>
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