Dear Ralf, dear all
sorry – I was unprecise. 15 = [Frankfurt a.M.], [C. Egenolff]. This is
neither "Gassenhawerlin" nor "Reutterliedlein" or any other of the Egenolff
prints from 1535 which we can call by their titles, but a fragmentary one,
lacking the Tenor partbook which would have contained a title page and
colophon. The library is D-Mbs, Mus.pr. 46#Beibd.2, digitized to be seen under
It is nr. 15 and you will see that in the lyrics there are neither Crabaten,
nor mercenaries from Hrvatska, nor crabs.
Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Re: German song questions
Von: "Ralf Mattes" <r...@mh-freiburg.de>
An: "Joachim Lüdtke" <jo.lued...@t-online.de>
Am Donnerstag, 08. Februar 2018 10:29 CET, Joachim Lüdtke
> Dear Robert, dear Rainer,
> original sources can (sometimes) be found by looking into Norbert Böker-Heil
> et al. (eds.); "Das Tenorlied". 3 Vols Kassel etc. 1979 - 1986.
That would be the first place to look, haven't access to it right now,
> This is a source catalogue of songbooks both manuscript and printed from 1450
> to 1580. Vol. 3 contains the indexes. "Vnser magt kan ausz der massen" =
> Songbook printed by Egenolff in Frankfurt, , nr. 15 (anon.).
Do you happen to know in which Egenolff print this is suppoed to be? I'm
looking at the Gassenhawerlin and
Reuterliedlin from 1535 and can' t find it in neither.
> If you have access to "Denkmäler der Tonkunst in Oesterreich", you may find
> texts to the intavolations in the critical commentary to Koczirz's edition of
> Newsidler, Judenkunig & Co. in Vol. 37 (I don't have this at hand, so: just
> an idea).
> The Deutsche Volksliederarchiv in Freiburg may also be helpful ...
Hmm, I had mixed results last time I visited (~20 years ago). Also the changed
their focus (now called
"Zentrum für Populäre Kultur und Musik") and, unfortunately, their beatiful
location. BTW, their online
database (http://www.liederlexikon.de/) doesn't list the song.
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