Excellent suggestion.

Eugene


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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Susan Sandman
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 10:32 AM
To: Tristan von Neumann
Cc: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: John Bull's Fantasy XII is Raga Yaman

   [1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenkerian_analysis
   Perhaps the theoretical approach of Schenker would be helpful to
   communicate the similarities you are finding between the Bull Fantasia,
   Raga Yaman and maybe Castello.   Schenker's system is based on the
   dynamic pull of scale tones. While to me the particularities of the
   musical elaborations unique to each composer/era/culture  is of more
   interest, his approach might clarify the unity of what you are hearing.
   Please consult the above link.

   Susan

   [2]www.ElizabethanConversation.com

   On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:02 PM Tristan von Neumann
   <[3]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

     I would not dare to call you a fool if you actually took your time
     to
     listen :)
     In case of my experiments I grant you, there is room for doubt.
     But with Fantasy X and XII: Did you *really* listen?
     (I hope your disbelief did not impair your hearing. This human trait
     has
     been proven scientifically.)
     And if it's not connected, I would be very happy to know:
     how do you explain the total weirdness of especially those two
     fantasies? There is nothing remotely resembling this, and I have
     played
     and listened a lot. I would very much love to get other keyboard
     pieces
     in that style then, regardless :)
     However (also to you, G. C.) - it is not the compatible mode, it is
     also
     basic motives of the Raga that can be found exactly at the right
     place,
     and the matching .
     I have yet to organize a real meeting between for example a singer
     and a
     keyboardist.
     If anything, this could be a nice intercultural exchange.
     My old musicology professor by the way does agree with the finding.
     Though due to tempo inconsistecies (if oyu change tempo digitally,
     it
     sound terrible) I did not post it:
     If a Hindustani flute player matches Fantasy XII, it sounds like a
     Castello Sonata. I will try and prepare a mix with that, but I have
     not
     yet found the right music source.
     Anyone interested may get an mp3 in private email.
     Am 07.02.2018 um 23:32 schrieb Arto Wikla:
     > Well, I listened carefully all those example combinations of
     Bull's
     > harpsichord pieces and the suggested similiar(?) raga
     performances, and
     > sincerely I could not find much in common between them, just two
     > different sound clips connected. Tristan von Neumann is of course
     free
     > to name me also "fool" even after I really listened his medleys,
     but
     > while I definitely strongly disagree his idea... ;-)
     >
     > all the best,
     >
     > Arto
     >
     > On 07/02/18 07:53, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
     >>  > Those who would even want to listen are fools.
     >>
     >> Of course, those who wouldn't.
     >>
     >> Am 07.02.2018 um 06:48 schrieb Tristan von Neumann:
     >>> I can't believe almost no one is excited about this discovery.
     >>>
     >>> All those who *still* doubt me, listen to this epic Raga Yaman
     >>> accompanied by John Bull's Fantasy XII.
     >>> I did nothing but adjust the pitch and placement of the tracks.
     >>>
     >>>
     [4]https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/fantasy-xii-raga-yaman
     >>>
     >>> Those who would even want to listen are fools.
     >>> Like the pope who wouldn't look through Galilei's telescope.
     >>>
     >>> Those who will listen will hear.
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
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     >>
     >>
     >
     >
     >

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References

   1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenkerian_analysis
   2. http://www.ElizabethanConversation.com/
   3. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
   4. https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/fantasy-xii-raga-yaman
   5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html



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