Yep, and Apes don't look like Humans. There is no other relation
whatsoever, pure coincidence that they look alike....
If you had listened as much to the tracks while finding the right spot
to make it sound ok without too much manipulation, you would notice more
that just modes.
But as I said - if you don't want to hear the gestures, and how
Sweelinck directly refers to the Raga (and Dowland too), then you don't
listen as closely.
If we sat together in front of the stereo and I could point it out, you
would probably be surprised not to have heard it.
Am 09.02.2018 um 00:39 schrieb Susan Sandman:
I do hear similarities between the two. But I hear similarities among
lots of musics — from Steve Reich to “space music” to troubadour songs
in similar modes, and do not think it means direct contact or
transmission of the sort I think you are asserting.
I find the unique musical gestures of each more interest, and the unique
tone colors of the instruments used more important than unifying
features of mode or raga however illustrated.
Susan
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 10:38 AM Tristan von Neumann
<tristanvonneum...@gmx.de <mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>> wrote:
Thank you Susan!
I am aware of Schenker - I studied musicology back in the day.
This would be indeed the best approach, but I guess it is possible to
find the exact match when analyzing just what is there.
Indian understanding - as it appears to me - basically *is* Schenkerian,
so I guess this step could be skipped.
What is your opinion about the Echo Fantasy?
https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/sweelinck-echo-fantasia-ex-a-raga-asawari
Am 08.02.2018 um 16:31 schrieb Susan Sandman:
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenkerian_analysis
>
> Perhaps the theoretical approach of Schenker would be helpful to
> communicate the similarities you are finding between the Bull
Fantasia,
> Raga Yaman and maybe Castello. Schenker’s system is based on the
> dynamic pull of scale tones. While to me the particularities of the
> musical elaborations unique to each composer/era/culture is of more
> interest, his approach might clarify the unity of what you are
hearing.
> Please consult the above link.
> Susan
> www.ElizabethanConversation.com
<http://www.ElizabethanConversation.com>
<http://www.ElizabethanConversation.com>
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:02 PM Tristan von Neumann
> <tristanvonneum...@gmx.de <mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
<mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de <mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>>>
wrote:
>
> I would not dare to call you a fool if you actually took your
time to
> listen :)
> In case of my experiments I grant you, there is room for doubt.
> But with Fantasy X and XII: Did you *really* listen?
> (I hope your disbelief did not impair your hearing. This
human trait has
> been proven scientifically.)
> And if it's not connected, I would be very happy to know:
> how do you explain the total weirdness of especially those two
> fantasies? There is nothing remotely resembling this, and I
have played
> and listened a lot. I would very much love to get other
keyboard pieces
> in that style then, regardless :)
>
> However (also to you, G. C.) - it is not the compatible mode,
it is also
> basic motives of the Raga that can be found exactly at the
right place,
> and the matching .
> I have yet to organize a real meeting between for example a
singer and a
> keyboardist.
> If anything, this could be a nice intercultural exchange.
>
> My old musicology professor by the way does agree with the
finding.
> Though due to tempo inconsistecies (if oyu change tempo
digitally, it
> sound terrible) I did not post it:
> If a Hindustani flute player matches Fantasy XII, it sounds
like a
> Castello Sonata. I will try and prepare a mix with that, but
I have not
> yet found the right music source.
> Anyone interested may get an mp3 in private email.
>
>
> Am 07.02.2018 um 23:32 schrieb Arto Wikla:
> > Well, I listened carefully all those example combinations
of Bull's
> > harpsichord pieces and the suggested similiar(?) raga
> performances, and
> > sincerely I could not find much in common between them,
just two
> > different sound clips connected. Tristan von Neumann is of
course
> free
> > to name me also "fool" even after I really listened his
medleys, but
> > while I definitely strongly disagree his idea... ;-)
> >
> > all the best,
> >
> > Arto
> >
> > On 07/02/18 07:53, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
> >> > Those who would even want to listen are fools.
> >>
> >> Of course, those who wouldn't.
> >>
> >> Am 07.02.2018 um 06:48 schrieb Tristan von Neumann:
> >>> I can't believe almost no one is excited about this
discovery.
> >>>
> >>> All those who *still* doubt me, listen to this epic Raga
Yaman
> >>> accompanied by John Bull's Fantasy XII.
> >>> I did nothing but adjust the pitch and placement of the
tracks.
> >>>
> >>>
https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/fantasy-xii-raga-yaman
> >>>
> >>> Those who would even want to listen are fools.
> >>> Like the pope who wouldn't look through Galilei's telescope.
> >>>
> >>> Those who will listen will hear.
> >>>
> >>>
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