Thank you Markus! This is good information to have! I appreciate it
very much, and I hope all is well.
Ed
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Markus Lutz <[1]mar...@gmlutz.de>
wrote:
Am 30.03.2018 um 18:09 schrieb Edward Martin:
Dear Ones,
Thank you for the fascinating discussion particularly in the
area of
Jacques de Saint Luc. Anna, thank you for including
mentioning me in
the discussion, as I authored an article about St. Luc in a
recent Lute
Society of America Quarterly.
I am a performer, not a scholar, and I merely quoted those who
have
written on the topic of St. Luc, and I have done no primary
research
into this area. The big question is who authored the majority
of his
works; was it indeed Jacques (b. 1616), or his sons
Jacques-Alexandre
(b. 1663) or Laurent (b. 1669) ? According to the Scholar
Phillipe
Vendrix, there is no conclusive evidence that either of his sons
were
involved with music.
Dear Edward,
this is the new thing, that Manuel Couvreur found, the marriage entry
from May 1705, where it clearly is stated that Laurent is lutenist by
profession (Lautenist). So he for sure has been involved with music.
The other thing, that I wondered about - it is not very reasonable to
have a very old man playing the lute in Berlin in a fascinating way and
there is no mentioning that he was very old.
So for all probability the lutenist playing in Berlin was one of his
sons.
Manuel Couvreur has no positive identification that the St. Luc around
the time of 1700 is Laurent, but this has a very high probability in my
opinion as he had been lutenist as his father.
That old people can still be good musicians cannot be denied, but
anyway the conclusions of Manuel Couvreur seem to be quite convincing,
even if they are no 100% proof.
Best regards
Markus
The confusion is that if Jacques died around
1710, in his mid 90's, it would seem that he would have been
very old
to still be involved with music performance or composition.
However,
there are a few examples of great musical people from the time
living
to a very old age, such as Telemann and Stradivarius.
I was unaware that Evangelina Mascardi has a recording available
of
music for St. Luc; I just ordered it and look forward to
reading the
notes by Manuel Couvreur as well of hearing Mascardi's
interpretation.
I do not have an opinion on the matter of defining authorship,
but
rather I have a natural curiosity on the topic. If anyone has
evidence in defining the true author, I would enthusiastically
love to
read the results.
With very best wishes,
Edward Martin
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 8:08 AM, stephan.olbertz
<[1][2]stephan.olbe...@web.de> wrote:
Dear Anna, yes, I'm sure Tim has his reasons, however, in
this case
the
relevant book is from when, 1710? ;-)
Maybe someone on the list could ask Manuel Couvreur for a
more
elaborate article... Although he already goes into much
detail in
the
booklet, including depiction of documents.
Best wishes
Stephan
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Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Thesis about Lauten Konzerte
Thank you all for the list and off-list answers!
Dear Martin,
yes, I'm going to work only on Dm lute works (with a small
exception
of
Kremberg's "Arien", where there is also an angelique &
guitar
required).
And yes, I had to make a timeline limit - Weichenberger is
the
latest
composer I'll work on. I know there is a lot of that genre
in the
galant style, but I was not aware of Joseph Zincke.
Dear Stephan,
I don't have yet this CD booklet, but a few weeks ago I've
been
corresponding with Tim Crawford about the newest opinion
of St.
Luc's
identification (taking into account the recent
Evangelina's CD),
and
he
was rather cautious about attributing all the St. Luc's
oevre to
Laurent (what about the early Goà «ss MSS and a few pieces
by Mr
St
Luc,
almost certainly written by the lutenist born in 1616,
with whom
Constantijn Huygens corresponded?). But, unfortunately,
there is
no
article by Manuel Couvreur about that yet.
I can agree with you about resaerch-based PhD (although
sometimes
musicians are also good researchers ;), but academies have
their
own
new regulations about the academic titles, we may like or
don't
like...
2018-03-28 15:32 GMT+02:00 Martyn Hodgson
<[1][4][5]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
Dear Anna,
Are you are looking at concerted music from this
period
for
all
sorts
of obligato lute, are you looking only at works with
the Dm
lute?
There
is a similar large repertoire of works (no
substantive
overlap
either)
for gallichon/mandora with other instruments. the MSs
in the
Universitatsbibliothek Eichstatt are just one good
source.
Well
represented is the fine late composer Joseph Zincke
(1758 -
1829)
one
of the unsung heroes of this late eighteenth century
lute
repertoire..
But all this might extend your thesis a quite a lot
further
both
in
volume and available time than you might wish and may
have
planned...
regards
Martyn
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To: Lutelist Net <[3][6][7]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2018, 12:51
Subject: [LUTE] Thesis about Lauten Konzerte
Dear invaluable Collective Lute-Wisdom!
I'm preparing a PhD thesis (which at the Music
Academy
consists
of
the
thesis itself and a representative CD recording)
about
"17th and 18th century chamber music with lute
obligato:
concerts,
trios and arias by Jacob Kremberg, Jacques de
Saint-Luc,
F.I.
Hinterleithner and J.G. Weichenberger. The role of
lute
instruments
and
the performance practice in ensemble works."
The pieces I'm going to work on are:
- Saint Luc's Trios (thanks to Martin Hodgson, Edward
Martin
and
others
for a very informative discussion about this
composer)
- Kremberg's Musicalische Gemà ¼ths-Ergà ¶tzung, oder
Arien
(1689)
- Hinterleithner's Lauthenkonzerte
- Weichenberger's Lautenkonzerte aus Harrach Ms.,
maybe also
from
Grussau Ms.
I'm going to open the topic with the case of P.P.
Melli
"Suite
for
9
instruments" from Intavolatura di liuto attiorbato
(1616) -
thanks
to
Alain Veylit (and others) for his work and comments.
W.L.
von
Radolt's
Die aller treueste Freindin is already done by Ars
Antiqua
Austria
and
edited by TREE Edition.
A great help provided already Tim Crawford, Jerzy Ã
»ak
and
Michael
Talbot.
If somone of you have any advice, also for
bibliography or
a
person
who
work/-ed on that subject, I wold be very grateful
to get
to
know
that.
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