Dear Tristan,
   I really do think you're making much too much of this coincidence: just
   because a similar form appears in two different cultures/civilisations
   does not of course necessarily, or indeed automatically, mean that one
   was developed directly from the other.
   History is peppered with examples of inventions developed
   independently: shoes, writing, arithmetic, the wheel, etc,
   etc................
   MH
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   From: Tristan von Neumann <[email protected]>
   To: lutelist Net <[email protected]>
   Sent: Saturday, 31 March 2018, 1:18
   Subject: [LUTE] Easteregg: The Birth of Baroque Music from the Spirit
   of India - no kidding.
   Dear Lutists,
   I know I have been bothering many of you with my premature findings
   which were hard to consume and did not convince everone.
   I thank everyone who considered the possibility that I could be onto
   something.
   Now forget everything I posted. This was only lab work compared to
   this.
   Here's the Real McCoy, which will totally surprise you.
   It's the Sonata Sopra Sancta Maria by Claudio Montverdi, from his
   Vespro
   della Beata Vergine.
   Here's my text to the track:
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   I think I now know what happened - nothing less than the Birth of
   Baroque Music from India's spirit.
   Everything about the Sonata sopra Sancta Maria seems Indian now, except
   the polyphony - that's European.
   Indian Music has hidden harmonies though, and it was Monteverdi's
   genius
   to augment the Raga in 3D, adapting both the rhythm of the tonal (!)
   tabla drums and the "thorough bass" of Raga Alhaiya Bilawal - indeed
   the
   new style of the 1600s is driven by the bass line. There are whole
   opera
   "scores" consisting only of bass line and chant, yet one was able to
   extract the whole music for performance from that - even today this
   wisdom has not been lost.
   It only makes sense that the Sonata is "sopra Sancta Maria ora pro
   nobis" - Indian Ragamala paintings depict Raga Bilawal as a woman with
   a
   mirror, anxiously waiting for her lover - fitting the cahtolic
   eroticised Cult of the Virgin Mary.
   Note how all Indian ornaments are of the same type as Monteverdi's.
   Also, listen to how the rhythm is actually employed and how it's
   adapted
   in certain instrumental passages.
   Finally, the recurring tune "Sancta Maria Ora Pro Nobis" is used with
   different note lenghts and different emphasis, just like an Indian
   "Pakad", which is the recurring ritornello theme of a Raga varied over
   different rhythm patterns.
   In this light, the "Birth of Baroque Music from the Spirit of India" is
   probably not an overstatement.
   This warrants a book... I'll try to at least finish my article soon,
   this and the Ciacona will now be the main focus, as it can be most
   easily shown how these are related to Ragas, even without transcribing
   a
   30 min complex performance by ear alone.
   Stay tuned!
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   Here's the mix:
   [1]https://soundcloud.com/tristan-von-neumann/claudio-monteverdi-sonata
   -sopra-sancta-maria-raga-alhaiya-bilawal-kishori-amonkar
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References

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