Prof. Crystal relies quite a lot on Ben Jonson's English Grammar. Applying that to Shakespeare (and his contemporaries) he has come up with a reasonable hypothesis as to the Early Modern English dialect of the 16th and 17th centuries.
Regards, Craig > On June 7, 2019 at 11:23 AM Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> > wrote: > > > Yes, this is a fairly common view - but I what's the reasoning and > evidence for it? > MH > > On Friday, 7 June 2019, 16:18:42 BST, Helen Atkinson > <hjatkinso...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes - from what I've learnt from Richard Rastall and others, it's > 'keu-ind' and "weu-ind" ... a bit as they'd say it in the west country. > Helen > On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 14:35, jslute <[1]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > > Dear Martyn and All, > According to the Crystals, "wind" would be pronounced something > like > "woind" or "woynd." Ben Crystal helped with one of my theater > group > productions a couple of years ago. > Jim Stimson > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > -------- Original message -------- > From: Martyn Hodgson <[2]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Date: 6/7/19 3:30 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: howard posner <[3]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>, LuteNet list > <[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>, Ed Durbrow > <[5]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme > I suppose the question is not so much which words rhymed, but > which > with which. > For example was 'wind' rhymed with the modern pronunciation of > 'find/mind' - or did 'mind/find' rhyme with the modern 'wind' > ? > An early spelling of 'winde' and 'kinde' might suggest the > former - > but > do we/you know? > MH > On Friday, 7 June 2019, 03:10:03 BST, Ed Durbrow > <[6]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp> wrote: > On Jun 7, 2019, at 9:10 AM, howard posner > <[1][7]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> > wrote: > > > >> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Ed Durbrow > <[2][8]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp> > wrote: > >> > >> wanted to know which word changes so that winde and kinde > rhyme. > > > > If you're asking which word is pronounced as in modern > English (in > what accent? Australia? Mississippi?) the answer may be > neither. > No I'm not asking that. > > For what it's worth, in Shakespeare's sonnets: > > > > Wind (in the sense of air blowing) rhymes with find and > mind. > That is the information I was looking for. Thank you Howard. > Campion was a contemporary of Shakespeare, so good enough. > Still wondering if there is an online resource to find such > information. > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- > References > 1. mailto:[10]howardpos...@ca.rr.com > 2. mailto:[11]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp > 3. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu > 2. mailto:hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu > 3. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com > 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > 5. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp > 6. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp > 7. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com > 8. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp > 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 10. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com > 11. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp > 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
