Louise Gottsched, who wrote the first biographic article about S. L. Weiss in her husband' BIG "Handlexicon" ("Handlexikon oder kurzgefaÃtes Wörterbuch der schönen Wissenschaften und freyen Künste", Leipzig: Gleditsch, 1760), defines the swan neck lute as "theorbieret" (if I remember correctly) and of course attributes the idea to S. L. Weiss. Despite what some lutemakers seem to like, I wouldn't define the swan neck baroque lute as a "theorbo": it introduces much confusion in a field where we do not need to add more, I believe. ---- Attivato Sun, 18 Aug 2019 23:06:37 +0200 David Van Edwards <da...@vanedwards.co.uk> ha scritto ----
Dear Howard, The Tielke is a bizarre German baroque swan neck style job with an extremely long neck probably the result of a conversion by Bachmann in 1760. The Tieffenbrucker is another swan neck instrument resulting from a conversion possibly by Fux though 1696 is a bit early unless it was then intended as an angelique.Neither are what we would nowadays call a theorbo, though of course the term was in use then for such instuments. Best wishes, David At 13:37 -0700 18/8/19, howard posner wrote: > > On Aug 18, 2019, at 10:22 AM, David Van >Edwards <[1]da...@vanedwards.co.uk> wrote: >> >> There are of course several luiti attiorbati in >> Paris with 7 fingered courses but one of them >> looks a bit theorbo-ish and might be the one >> you're thinking of. It's anonymous E.25 (C228) 13 >> courses 1x1, 6x2 @ 710mm + 6x2 @ 1090. Joël's >> catalogue thinks it was converted from a >> German/Italian renaissance lute into a liuto >> attiorbato in 17th century. All the real theorbos >> there have six fingered courses, either double or >> single. > >My information is all second or third-hand, but >I was also thinking of the "Magno diefobruchar a >venetia" and Tielke instruments in Paris Musee >de la Musique, both apparently configured like >German lutes with 8 fingerboard courses at 82 >and 84 cm. > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >[2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: [3]http://www.vanedwards.co.uk -- References 1. mailto:da...@vanedwards.co.uk 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/