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Here is a portrait thought to represent Melchior Newsidler. The Fuggers were MN patrons and are said to have commissioned his portrait from a visiting Italian painter. The art historians have suggested an artist, but they thought MN to be Hans' brother (b. ca. 1505). Hans was his father and Melchior was born in 1531, and the dates don't match with the presumed artist.. (More on the engraving below.) The cited engraving comes from the MN lute book publ. by Jobin in 1574 when MN was in Strasbourg. It is by Tobias Stimmer, one of the leading artists of his day and a Jobin in-law--thus undoubtedly painted "from Life" He was especially noted for capturing his setters' emotional state. In this case, MN comes out as a very stern individual under Stimmer's tools. https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-3 -----Original Message----- From: David Van Edwards <[email protected]> To: Tristan von Neumann <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2019 7:47 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: de Rippe portrait // Lutist portraits To answer the second part of your question: Possibly:  Melchior Newsidler 1574  https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-3 Sebastian Ochsenkhun 1588 https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-183 Sixtus Kargel (1540-1600) https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-530 Etc. Etc. Just search the Lute Society lute image database. Best wishes, David At 10:22 +0100 31/10/19, Tristan von Neumann wrote: >Dear Lutists, > > >I just noticed that there is a portrait in "Le Cinquième Livre" of the >1562 Le Roy print of Albert de Rippe's works. > >Is this considered an authentic portrait of de Rippe or just generic? > > >Are there any confirmed authentic portraits of 16th c. lutenists? > >Links to pics are welcome. > > > >:) >T* > > > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB   England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk ------=_Part_1857672_968383007.1573341963355 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div style="color:black;font: 12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"> <div id="yiv2454841114"> <div style="color:black;font:12pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"> <div align="center" class="yiv2454841114envelope" style="float:none;"><br> </div> <div align="center" class="yiv2454841114envelope" style="float:none;"> <div align="left" class="yiv2454841114envelope" style="float:none;">Here is a portrait thought to represent Melchior Newsidler. The Fuggers were MN patrons and are said to have commissioned his portrait from a visiting Italian painter. The art historians have suggested an artist, but they thought MN to be Hans' brother (b. ca. 1505). Hans was his father and Melchior was born in 1531, and the dates don't match with the presumed artist.. (More on the engraving below.)</div> <div align="left" class="yiv2454841114envelope" style="float:none;"><br> </div> <div align="left" class="yiv2454841114envelope" style="float:none;"> <div align="center" class="envelope" style="float: none;"><img width="600" title="MN_OsloJ3.jpg" class="yiv2454841114AOLInlineImage" id="yiv2454841114AOLP.2432270" style="margin:5px;vertical-align:middle;" alt="MN_OsloJ3.jpg" src="cid:AOLP.2432270" yahoo_partid="2"></div> </div> <div align="left" class="yiv2454841114envelope" style="float:none;"> </div> <div>The cited engraving comes from the MN lute book publ. by Jobin in 1574 when MN was in Strasbourg. It is by Tobias Stimmer, one of the leading artists of his day and a Jobin in-law--<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); display: inline; float: none; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">thus undoubtedly painted "from Life" </span> He was especially noted for capturing his setters' emotional state. In this case, MN comes out as a very stern individual under Stimmer's tools.</div> </div> <div align="left" class="yiv2454841114envelope" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); float: none; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><br> </div> <div align="left" class="yiv2454841114envelope" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); float: none; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-3 <br> <div align="center" class="yiv2454841114envelope" style="float: none;"><br> </div> </div> <br> <div style="font-family:arial, helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black;">-----Original Message-----<br> From: David Van Edwards <[email protected]><br> To: Tristan von Neumann <[email protected]><br> Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]><br> Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2019 7:47 am<br> Subject: [LUTE] Re: de Rippe portrait // Lutist portraits<br> <br> <div dir="ltr">To answer the second part of your question:<br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Possibly:<br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"> Melchior Newsidler 1574<br> </div> <div dir="ltr"> <a href="https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-3"; target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-3</a><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Sebastian Ochsenkhun 1588<br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><a href="https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-183"; target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-183</a><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Sixtus Kargel (1540-1600) <br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><a href="https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-530"; target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issue/LI-530</a><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Etc. Etc. Just search the Lute Society lute image database.<br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Best wishes,<br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">David<br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">At 10:22 +0100 31/10/19, Tristan von Neumann wrote:<br> </div> <div dir="ltr">>Dear Lutists,<br> </div> <div dir="ltr">><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">>I just noticed that there is a portrait in "Le Cinquième Livre" of the<br> </div> <div dir="ltr">>1562 Le Roy print of Albert de Rippe's works.<br> </div> <div dir="ltr">><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">>Is this considered an authentic portrait of de Rippe or just generic?<br> </div> <div dir="ltr">><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">>Are there any confirmed authentic portraits of 16th c. lutenists?<br> </div> <div dir="ltr">><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">>Links to pics are welcome.<br> </div> <div dir="ltr">><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">>:)<br> </div> <div dir="ltr">>T*<br> </div> <div dir="ltr">><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">>To get on or off this list see list information at<br> </div> <div dir="ltr">><a href="http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html"; target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html</a><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">-- <br> </div> <div dir="ltr">The Smokehouse,<br> </div> <div dir="ltr">6 Whitwell Road,<br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Norwich, NR1 4HB <br> </div> <div dir="ltr">England.<br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899<br> </div> <div dir="ltr">Website: <a href="http://www.vanedwards.co.uk"; target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.vanedwards.co.uk</a><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> ------=_Part_1857672_968383007.1573341963355-- --
