I finally heard from Ignacio Lopez, who is currently presenting the
results of his research on Spanish poetry and the music of the
vihuelists.
"In general terms, it is easy to affirm that Luys Milán had a great
deal of Italian influence, although it is unsure he traveled to Italy.
His Maestro de vihuela includes the first Italian sonnets ever printed
in Spain, and he spent most of his working life at the viceregal court
of Valencia. During that time, the viceroy of Valencia was Ferdinand of
Aragon, who previously had been the prince heir of Naples before he was
brought to Spain after his kingdom was conquered. In his book El
Cortesano, Luis Milán challenges Baldasarre Castiglione with another
model for the ideal courtier. Milán includes in this book several
references to Dante and Petrarch, as well as a recreation of the
Italian celebrations for the arrival of the month of May. In what
relates to his music, he has been compared with the Italian frottolists
(I am unsure of the English spelling here) and some other Italian
influences. However, I have never read anything concrete in that
regard."
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From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
<lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of Lex van Sante
<lvansa...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:04 PM
To: Mathias Rösel <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>; lute mailing list list
<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Milan's name
Dear all.
Jordi Savall is a promoter of Catalan culture an language. As
Valencian language is closely allied to Catalan he apparently saw no
problem in catalanizeing ;-) Milan's name.
Cheers!
Lex van Sante
Op 8 jan. 2020, om 09:55 heeft Mathias Rösel
<[1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> het volgende geschreven:
Antonio did not postulate. He pointed at evidence.
Are you talking of "alternative facts" of the kind the current
POTUS
and his party buddies make use of?
I seriously want to know what made someone like Jordi Savall use a
name
that Don Luys Milan never used. I don't suppose Savall was calling
him
names.
Mathias
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Von: Roman Turovsky
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Milan's name
Datum: 08.01.2020, 1:28 Uhr
An: Mathias Rà �sel, Lutelist
Because they lend credence to alternatives of Antonio's
postulates!)))
RT
On 1/6/2020 12:34 PM, Mathias Rà �sel wrote:
Why is that? Let others do as they please. I should only be
curious
why
they did so.
Mathias
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Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Milan's name
Datum: 06.01.2020, 18:06 Uhr
An: Mathias RÃÃà �sel
Cc: Lutelist
Someone should send a cease&desist order to Jordi Savall and all
the
other performers who put De Mila'n on their CDs!
RT
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Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes.
On Jan 6, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Mathias RÃÃà �sel
<[3][4][4]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote:
à �à �à � Dear Antonio,
please rest assured, no more evidence is demanded. Don Luis Milan
was
and is his name, and he's not from Milano.
They're making fun of it, or so is my impression.
Mathias
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Von: Jurgen Frenz
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Milan's name
Datum: 06.01.2020, 15:17 Uhr
An: Antonio Corona
Cc: [4][5][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Here is the collection of names for SeÃà à �or Luys from the
online
Petrucci library, for what it's worth:
ÃÃà � à �
Alternative Names/Transliterations: MillÃà à �n, Luys Milan, Luis
de
MilÃà à �n, LluÃÃs del MilÃÃ
ÃÃà � à �
Name in Other Languages: Luis de MilÃà à �n, ÃÃà � Ã
�ÃÃà � à �ÃÃÃ
� à �ÃÃà � à �ÃÃà �ÃÃà � à �ÃÃà �ÃÃÃ
�
à �ÃÃà � à �, LluÃÃs del
MilÃà , ÃÃÃà à �Ãà à �Ãà à �Ãà à �,
ÃÃÃÃÃà à �Ãà Ãà à �Ãà à �,
ÃÃÃÃÃÃÃà à � Ãà à �Ãà ÃÃÃÃÃÃÃà à �ÃÃ
ÃÃà � à �
Aliases: Luis de Milan, Luys de Milan, Luys de MilÃà à �n, LluÃÃs
MilÃÃ ,
Lluis Mila, Luis Milan, Lluis MilÃÃ , LluÃÃs Mila, LluÃÃs de
MilÃÃ
, Luys
MilÃà à �n
----------------------------------
"Close your eyes. Fall in love. Stay there."
JalÃÃl ad-DÃà à �n Muhammad Rumi
ÃÃà �ÃÃà �ÃÃà �ÃÃà �ÃÃà �ÃÃà �ÃÃà �
Original Message ÃÃà �ÃÃà �ÃÃÃ
�ÃÃà �ÃÃà �ÃÃà �ÃÃà �
On Monday, January 6, 2020 6:41 AM, Antonio Corona
<[2][5][6][6]abcor...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
A couple more:
Juan Timoneda, Rosas de romances (1573): Don Luys Milan
BartolomÃà à � de Villalba y EstaÃà à �a, El pelegrino
curioso ...
(1577):
Don Luys Milan
On Sunday, 5 January 2020, 19:24:07 GMT-6, Antonio Corona
[3][6][7][7]abcor...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu wrote:
Dear friends,
Luis MilÃà à �n, Libro de motes (1535): Don Luys Milan
Luis MilÃà à �n, El Maestro (1535-36): Luys Milan
Luis MilÃà à �n, El cortesano (1561): Don Luys Milan
Juan FernÃà à �ndez de Heredia, Las obras ... (1562): Don Luys
Milan
Gaspar Gil Polo, Diana enamorada (1564): Don Luys Milan
Best wishes,
Antonio
On Sunday, 5 January 2020, 14:26:06 GMT-6, Joachim LÃà à �dtke
[4][7][8][8]jo.lued...@t-online.de wrote:
In El Cortesano it's Don Luys Milan ÃÃà � à � I am not a home
for
the
next
few days, but if anyone has the Facsimile of El Maestro published
by
the Sociedad de la Vihuela a few years ago, he or she could look
into
the commentary and see if there is any evidence mentioned for
MilÃÃ
à �n,
de MilÃà à �n or similar.
Best
Joachim
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