see here
[1]A-Wn MusHs 17706
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A-Wn MusHs 17706
Note the tiorba works are copied from the last leaf of the book going
forwards
M
On Friday, 5 June 2020, 08:58:49 BST, Monica Hall
<mjlh...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
I was wondering about that as I don't actually have a copy of this
particular ms. only the Goess ms.
Monica
> On 05 June 2020 at 08:45 "[2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com"
<[3]s.wa...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> It would be very interesting to see what this music looks like.
Are there any images online?
>
> Sent from my Huawei phone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Martyn Hodgson <[4]hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020, 08:21
> To: [5]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de, LuteList
<[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>, Monica Hall <[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>,
Roland Hayes <[8]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo
>
> ?space?-- Dear Roland,
Bartolotti's precise dates seem unknown at present but c.1630 - 1682
may be a reasonable estimate. The inclusion of works for lute by Losy
(b.1650) and Ginter(b.1661) in the earlier part of this Ms suggests a
date around 1680/90 for its compilation.
The tiorba was, of course, a widely employed instrument for continuo
in
this period and, in my view, it's unsurprising that a few pieces for
solo instruments by various unidentified tiorba players, as well as
famed players such as Bartolotti, shouldn't turn up in collections
from
time to time.
Petyer Steur suggests the lute piece on f.26v (Gigue de Angelin de
Rome) is by A M Bartolotii but this may be simply speculation around
similar word association.
regards,
Martyn
On Thursday, 4 June 2020, 20:53:14 BST, Roland Hayes
<[9]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> wrote:
While the unascribed pieces could by someone else, they surely play
and
sound like Bartolotti.
Is there any other theorbo player from that time that we know of,
who
could match the style and technique of these pieces?
r
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo
Thanks for this.
I have the Moscardi edition but he doesn't give any reasons for
thinking the pieces are by Bartolotti.
Unfortunately with lockdown I can't visit the library to check any
other sources but if I do eventually find some evidence I will let
you
know.
Cheers
Monica
> On 04 June 2020 at 17:03 [7][16]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de wrote:
>
>
> Maybe it's worth to take a look on some of the literature? There
is:
>
> Boetticher: RISM B VII, p. 351-352 (rather useless, but he gives
a
bunch
> of literature which I don't know)
> Meyer (ed.): Sources Manuscrites en Tablature III/1, S. 121-125
(he
> doesn't give any information on the other theorbo pieces, but I
> apparently in the lute part of the mansucript there's a piece by
> "Angelin de Rome" which Meyer supposed to identify as Bartolotti
as
> well. And also there you'll find a lot of literature.)
> And there's a new edition by Massimo Moscardo: âA. M.
Bartolotti,
Pià ¨ces
> pour thà ©orbe", Paris (SFL) 1995, which could be worth to check!
>
> Please keep us informed, in fact I'm very curious what you're
going
to
> find on this subject :-)
> Yuval
>
> Am 04.06.2020 17:45 schrieb Monica Hall:
> > Thanks Martyn
> > That's very helpful.
> > Regards
> > Monica
> >> On 04 June 2020 at 14:35 Martyn Hodgson
> >> <[8][17]hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Monica,
> >> No - I don't know if there are any grounds for attributing
the
> >> other
> >> tiorba pieces in this Ms to Bartolotti other than, of
course,
being
> >> adjacent in the same Ms. Incidentally the attribution of
the
> >> Allemande
> >> (Allemanda di Angelo Michiele) is on f.89r. not 92r.
> >> The following Corrente with a variatione on 88r to 87v
(reversed
> >> folios) seems stylistically very close to the Allemanda, as
does
> >> the
> >> concluding Sarabanda with its variatione, so I'd be happy
to
accept
> >> these as part of a suite by the same composer AM. The fact
that
> >> the
> >> earlier Ms pieces for tiorba (ie from 92 to 89) do not have
the
> >> attribution to AM might suggest they're not by him, but....
> >> regards,
> >> Martyn
> >>
> >> On Thursday, 4 June 2020, 09:56:59 BST, Monica Hall
> >> <[9][18]mjlh...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> >> Ms. 17706 in the Austrian National Library in Vienna
includes
10
> >> pieces
> >> for theorbo usually attributed to Bartolotti. The Allemanda
on
> >> f.92r is
> >> attributed to Angelo Michiele. Does anyone know on what
grounds
the
> >> other nine pieces are attributed to Bartolotti?
> >> Thanks
> >> Monica
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