Well, as we have discussed, the red notes are apparently played from
the same score on a second lute, and elsewhere in Eysert, there are
apparently both parts of some duets, some reversed to play off the same
MS (haven't run across them yet). That suggests that there may not be a
second part book, which doesn't mean a second part isn't lurking in
some other random MS.
I we ignore the #º notations entirely, Part 2 sounds quite all right to
my ears as is, so the notations might mean something entirely
different...
Andre Nieuwlaat is going to hunt around and see if he can find a second
part. Perhaps it would have similar notations to indicate missing bars,
meant to be played from the version in Eysert.
Have you seen notations like this anywhere else in the lute
literature? I haven't. The numbers above the staff I have seen have
been numbers for variations ( as in [1]V Galilei's infamous Romanesca
variations, where they go up to 100) or above the repeat double bar at
the end of a repeated section to say how many times it is repeated
(usually 2, but I have seen 3).
--Sarge
On 9/9/2020 11:48, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote:
The Secunda pars" is "Seconda Parte" of Battaglia by Orazio Vecchi.
See page 25:
[2]http://ks.petruccimusiclibrary.org/files/imglnks/usimg/4/41/IMSLP
145459-WIMA.26bd-battu.pdf
Also see:
[3]https://i.imgur.com/fhZWglm.png
I guess the second choir's part is not in the same lute book. It
would not make sense to have it there anyway if the intabulation was
meant to be played by two lutenists.
Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 9.9.2020 klo 21.18:
Hmmm. I don't see another version of the Battaglia. There is a
Part 1
(same file), which has 72 bars, where part 2 has 55. If we add
a total
of 30 interpolated bars to part 2, we get 85 bars, so the bar
numbers
still wouldn't fit between the two parts, and I have not tried
to see
if the harmonies would fit if I tried combining the two parts as
a
duet. The source doesn't specify what the "Secunda pars" on f.
62v is a
part 2 of, but it seems to be a battle type piece, so it's
logical to
include it as Part 2 of the Bataglia on ff. 65v-66. The
Galliarda Graff
vonn Schwartzenburg at the bottom of f.66 seems to be a "filler"
between the two parts, unrelated to them. I guess paper was at a
premium, so there was a tendency to fill in any blanks. To me,
then,
it's still a mystery.
--Sarge
On 9/8/2020 11:07, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote:
They seem to indicate the duration of rests. In this case
there are
no red notes. I wonder if there is a intabulation of the
second
choir's part elsewhere in the manuscript.
See:
[1][4]https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/145459/sv06
Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 8.9.2020 klo 18.47:
After bars 2, 5, 13, 17, 22, 26, and 31 in this piece, there
are
numbers, like #̡̉6, #̡̉13, etc.̉ Can anyone help
me
figure out what
this
might mean?
--Sarge
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References
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http://gerbode.net/sources/GalileiV/libro_d_intavolatura_di_liuto_1584/v1/romanesca_11_Fm_with_100_parts/pdf/
2.
http://ks.petruccimusiclibrary.org/files/imglnks/usimg/4/41/IMSLP145459-WIMA.26bd-battu.pdf
3. https://i.imgur.com/fhZWglm.png
4. https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/145459/sv06
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