On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 01:25:12 [email protected] said 

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, [email protected] wrote:
>> Linux is developed by more people than just Debian Developers, I
>> regularly submit well researched bug fixes to various projects, including
>> the kernels framebuffer code (one of linux's more difficult areas to work
>> in). Very much time is spent on making sure
>> these are well valued contributions. DD's are not the only ones spending
>> time in Linux code.................

>Would you like to have a bunch of people whoknow nothing about framebuffer 
>code start telling youwhat you should be doing?  What if they start saying 
>that such code should be the subject of a democratic vote among people who 
>have never read it?

Such a situation would almost certainly only come about via a 
missunderstanding, most likely due to lack of information. What I would do 
though is at least try to give an explanation of what ever understanding 
was missing. The unknown will always be feared. I will personly listen to 
all sources no matter how lame as you never know where inspiration or 
enlightenment will come from, it's possible for an apparent dumb query from 
an onlooker to give one an entirely new perspective on ones system. To 
claim one knows everything and not listen is a recipe for disaster. 

Most will see by the traffic on the topic of systemd on this list that 
there is a good deal of concern. This concern is brought about by the 
apparent fact that all sources of info on systemd are negative. No one as 
yet has set up a site like systemdisgreat.org to give the good side of the 
argument. If no one using systemd is willing to educate people you simply 
will have to expect a good deal of oposition. 

 From my point of view comparison's with other unix init systems to systemd 
is not valid. As has already been said if systemd was __only__ an init 
replacement there would not be nearly as much grumbleing. The grumbling is 
largely being caused by claims from some major systemd players that they 
wish to turn it into some kind of overall system control program (shades of 
Tron) and it appears Debian will be going along with this philosphy as 
debian appears to have completely embraced systemd. If Debian is not going 
along with this and wish to use systemd as an init replacement then the 
___DO____ need to say so. 

Lindsay
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