Hello Craig, On 8/30/20, Craig Sanders via luv-main <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 04:54:08PM +1000, Mark Trickett wrote: >> Many thanks for your excellent posts, I am learning more. However I have >> Debian 10, nominally up to date, and it has Wayland with Gnome as the >> desktop. I am finding it very frustrating that I cannot copy and paste to >> and from the XTerm window. > > Sorry, i don't use Wayland, have no idea what could be going wrong with > this. > > I can't see the point of Wayland. TBH, it seems like the systemd of X - a > half-arsed crappy partial implementation of only the stuff that the devs > personally use because there's no way that anyone else could ever need > anything they don't use.
I did not choose Wayland, nor systemd, but that is now the Debian defaults. There are good reasons behind the changes, or at least I have seen some support that I will concur with on why Wayland over xwindows. However I do not find benefit in systemd, the current install (Debian 10.5) is missing a piece of firmware, but I cannot read the message in time during boot, nor find it in the logs. I think it is for the network on the motherboard. > Also, CADT syndrome: never fix anything. toss out the old garbage, make way > for the shiny new garbage. Fixing bugs is boring. Reimplementing from > scratch every year or two is fun and exciting and it'll be perfect. For sure, > this > time. > >> I used to be able to do with earlier terminal emulation under the >> XWindows >> system. I used it to be able to copy text from a terminal into an email, >> and >> commands back from email, ensuring that I did not make typos. > > That's weird. i'd be surprised if Wayland was actually incapable of doing > something as basic as copy and paste between terminal windows, so it's > probably a bug or a configuration error. >From my reading of pages found by a google search, there is a choice by the development team based on (in)security of casual copy and paste. I thought that it was likely a configuration issue, but cannot find. I tried a number of teminals, but not a lot, to find one that appears to be reasonable. I still need to do more research, when life leaves the time from the real world. > Maybe try a different terminal instead of xterm. There are dozens to > choose from. I mostly use roxterm (full-height apart from the space used by > xfce4-panel, full-width, approx 250x60 depending on font size - great for > viewing log files), but sometimes I use xfce4-terminal if i want a tall, > narrow window (80 or 132 x 60) to fit beside something else. > > >> I do understand that there can be security issues if used without a >> measure >> of care and thoughtful, but it also has much merit when coping with some >> of >> the regular expressions that come up as examples in email and on web >> pages. > > the "security issues" comes from blindly executing code/commands that you > don't understand. That is why it is not implemented, even for those of us who do carefully look over such before copying and executing. I cannot make sense of a line of perl at this time, but there are some folks I will trust, such as you and Russel Coker. I do not expect you to be perfect, but that you do know more than I, and from what I have seen, not malicious. I do try to comprehend even your examples first, but have to trust that you do know that much more in the subject of concern. > treat everything as just an example that needs further research. never > execute > something posted by someone else(*) unless you know what it does and how and > why. > > > (*) ANYONE else. even if they're trustworthy and not malicious, they could > be > wrong, they might have made a mistake. Anyone can make a mistake, unfortunately some people are a mistake. > craig Regards, Mark Trickett _______________________________________________ luv-main mailing list [email protected] https://lists.luv.asn.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luv-main
