Hi everyone, I am going to take a strong line on this one and say it works as designed and the design is very well done. The reason for is it that you do have references and labels, under the table, that lyx is managing for you. You have an equation, you number the question, you label the equation, and you never have to worry about it again. The reference automatically updates with the removal or addition of equations prior to the referenced one. The entire point of the labeling system is to make the numbering decoupled from where an equation appears in the document and to that extent, it performs very well. After reading various comments I actually have no idea what the OP would like or what other people are suggesting.
Equation labels should be human readable and make sense to you and the document. That is the proper use. If you are making them all a1, a2,... aN, I can't help you but typically there are not many equations in documents anyway. Each one is a bit different and requires a slightly different human readable note attached with a number that you don't care about. It seems perfect to me. ~Ben On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 9:23 AM, John Kane <jrkrid...@gmail.com> wrote: > Fullwrite was abandoned about 1995 or 2000, sob. I was not as crazy about > it as Jerry since it was a bugger when doing tables but compared to > something like MS Word it was heaven. > > On 20 March 2015 at 04:55, Michael Berger <id...@online.de> wrote: > >> On 03/20/2015 08:44 AM, Jerry wrote: >> >>> On Mar 14, 2015, at 9:56 AM, Robert Susmilch <rob...@susmilch.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> This seems absurd given that Lyx purports to free you to write and not >>>> micromanage things like this. The tutorial goes on and on about using >>>> citations, bibliography, automatic section and chapter title numbering >>>> that takes care of itself. If I can number an equation and it's >>>> automatic that means the equation numbering can / will change as they >>>> are moved about, added or deleted, etc. >>>> >>> I agree, but would stop short of "absurd" and simply say "awkward," >>> "clumsy," and then I'll stop. It does work. I believe that Microsoft Word >>> and Mathematica require the same sort of tedious labeling, and those are >>> not necessarily good models. I know for a fact that this problem can be >>> handled better because I used the long-gone and much-loved FullWrite >>> Professional for about 10 years, from 1988 to 1998, and it did not require >>> labeling of anything. You simply inserted, as a reference, the current >>> equation number and then FullWrite automatically kept everything up to >>> date. It was just that simple. >>> And, not trivially, FullWrite had a _graphical_ equation >>> browser, a window of all your (filtered) stand-alone equations, numbered or >>> not, in a scrollable window. Now _that_ was neat. I think I have filed a >>> feature request for LyX but I don't expect anything to happen for a long >>> time. However, LyX has an option to render equations on-screen already >>> (Instant Preview) so it seems that the hard part of a graphical browser has >>> already been done. >>> With a graphical browser, one could assign nonsense labels (AA, >>> AB, AC, ... or just 1, 2, 3, ...) and use the graphical browser to find the >>> one to which you want to insert a reference and just click on the image. >>> That's what you do anyway, only instead of a dedicated graphical browser, >>> you just scroll around in your main document window until you find the >>> equation you want to reference, and that's not efficient or fun. >>> >>> >>> and then... >>> On Mar 15, 2015, at 5:26 PM, David A Case <c...@biomaps.rutgers.edu> >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015, Robert Susmilch wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have Googled a way to refer to numbered equations in text, such as >>>>> "See equation (3)" in Lyx but everything I read, whether from other >>>>> users or wikis, suggests labeling the already numbered equations and >>>>> then using the label to cross reference. >>>>> >>>>> This seems absurd .... >>>>> >>>> This has been discussed before on this list. The requirement to have a >>>> label makes good sense: how do you propose to refer to an equation that >>>> does not have a label? Remember that its number will change as >>>> equations >>>> are added or removed, whereas the label will not change. >>>> >>>> It seems like you may wish to have a cross reference that says the >>>> following: "refer to the *current* equation (3), and update the number >>>> in >>>> the cross reference if the corresponding equation number changes." This >>>> might be implemented by having LyX create a unique but hidden label for >>>> every numbered equation, and providing some sort of user interface to >>>> refer to it. >>>> >>> Nice answer. >>> >>>> For good reasons or bad, this is not the way LyX and latex work. >>>> >>> Why do you say this? You just proposed a solution to use the LyX/Latex >>> underpinnings to do that very thing. And that's probably the way FullWrite >>> did it. >>> >>> Note that >>>> numbered equations are no different in this respect than are numbered >>>> sections, etc. >>>> >>>> ....dave case >>>> >>>> Finally (I'll file a ticket for this in due course), a simple >>> improvement of the current system would be to display the labels with more >>> characters than are currently used; currently, so few characters are >>> displayed that one quickly becomes confused about which equation the label >>> belongs to. >>> >>> Jerry >>> >> >> Dear Jerry and followers of this very issue, >> personally I am happy with LyX's philosophy and think we should not >> over-emphasize such detail. >> Is adding a label really such tremendous effort? >> However, I see the point of some users. >> But could it be that the implementation of "this simple improvement" >> turns out not to be so very simple? >> (see above: For good reasons or bad, this is not the way LyX and latex >> work) >> >> Now, please have a look at the screen-shot attached. >> It shows an excerpt of André Miede's excellent "classicthesis". >> He created a new type of reference (Insert > Custom Insets > CT-auto >> cross-reference) which can show labels of more characters / words next to >> the number. >> I know, this is not exactly what is being discussed here but it certainly >> goes in that direction. >> >> And last but not least: users who prefer FullWrite Professional's >> features over those of Lyx may stick to it. >> >> Cheers! >> >> Michael >> >> > > > -- > John Kane > Kingston ON Canada >
