On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:32:02 -0500 Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 February 2008 02:07, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > > JOHN CULLETON wrote: > > > While in the process of trying to add things like Qt4 to my Slack 12 > > > system I managed to mung my ability to send outgoing mail. I > > > reinstalled on a fresh partition but I still have problems. So among > > > other things I am giving up on Lyx. More to the point, I am giving up > > > on recommending Lyx to TEX newbies. If someone can cite a version of > > > Lyx that runs without tears on the latest stable version of Slack > > > (12) then I may give it a try again. > > > > > > There seems to be a virus infecting developers all over the net that > > > compels them to use the newest tools even though the newest tools are > > > not widely available. > > > > Please stop this non sense. > > Makes perfect sense to me, and I couldn't have said it better myself. A > person should not have to upgrade their distro every few months in order to > compile the latest apps. > You are getting you direction wrong, a person should have to upgrade their software to keep working with their old distro. Upgraded software quite understandably uses upgraded libraries which quite understandably requires upgrading dependent software. Otherwise you would greatly cripple any advancement of software. And that's what distros are for, to make sure that you upgrade all dependencies at one time. > > > > > Qt 4 is the most notable of these attractive > > > nuisances. True, I can install a Kubuntu 4 partition and get KDE 4 > > > which uses Qt4. But Koffice and a host of other things don't work > > > with KDE 4. Besides, I don't like Debian. > > > > Back in the days I was using Slackware, I used to compile everything. If > > you are not able to compile Qt and LyX, pay someone to do it for you and > > stop complaining about people developing those programs for *FREE*. > > I guarantee you if I so chose I could make an app you could not compile and I > could. But when I make free software, I try my best to make sure the user > will be able to follow the instructions on any Linux distro to install the > app. With UMENU, I went so far as to create my own DOM tree objects rather > than have the user need to deal with CPAN packages and possibly mess up his > perl (I've seen CPAN package compilation mess up perl). > > You may argue that UMENU doesn't come close to the functionality required for > LyX, and you'd be absolutely right. But it's the philosophy I'm speaking of. > > I'm sure John will stop complaining about something developed for free. > However, as he noted, he'll also stop recommending it, depriving the project > of users, documenters, and possibly developers. Sure, John is a drop in the > bucket and won't be missed, but when a development community starts dissing > individuals unable to navigate dependency hell to install the app, the future > might get a little rocky. > > > > > I am writing this via my online mailbox attached to my webpage. Trust > > > me it is a helluva way to do my daily work. > > > > > > John Culleton TeX since 1995. > > > > Just stay with TeX and stop annoying us. > > Yeah, that's the way to get LyX users -- tell em if they're not willing to > upgrade the very vitals of their OS so that the developers can use the latest > and greatest Qt instead of providing compatibility with a couple year old > version (Qt 4 came out summer 2005, but Qt 4.2 is much newer), they should go > somewhere else. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Books written in LyX: > Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist > Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting > Troubleshooting: Just the Facts >
