On 03/22/2012 06:51 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 22/03/2012 02:50 p.m., Richard Heck escribió:
On 03/22/2012 04:02 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 22/03/2012 12:36 p.m., David L. Johnson escribió:
On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use
BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as
Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the
required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you
simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is
this a bug?
No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never
seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe
5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do "by hand".
When I wrote my MSc thesis I must handled with 80 citations in a 100
page piece of work, imagine sort them one by one and changing from
order of apearance to alphabetical just to adjust your work to the
requirements of the institute!!! It is indeed old fashioned, you
must tell the software what kind of bibliography you need and it
must automatically reshape and sort it. BibTeX does this work, why
LyX can't?
Sorry, I don't understand. Of course you can use BibTeX with LyX. Or
you can just use bibitems. It's up to you. If you use bibitems,
though, then you have to sort them. Why? Because....
Off course I can use BibTeX with LyX, but to generalize the use of it
as a redaction system editors will prefer, it is better to have all
the main things in a solely archive, not figures off course, but the
bibliography...
Hopefully for 2.1, we are going to have a "LyX bundle" that will solve
all such problems, including figures, to make it easy to exchange data
with others. Right now, we have the ability to export a LyX archive that
will bundle all these things, too.
As initial step I would like to recommend developers to include an
option to export bibitems to BibTeX, and a final option should be
the use of BibTeX to produce the bibliography from bibitems. This is
not too hard to do since most of the work is already done!
To do this, you'd have to be able to figure out who the author is,
what the title is, etc, etc, etc. It is not going to be possible to
figure that out in any reliable way.
By using the same algoritms that are already used for the modernCV
example (separators }{)
If this means writing everything as ERT, it doesn't look good. I can
imagine making LyX's internal storage of bibitems look more like BibTeX,
then creating a BibTeX file on the fly for compilation, etc. There's
already a bug about this, partly, to make bibitems easier to use with
natbib. But it doesn't make much sense to me to go much farther. BibTeX
isn't that hard to use, and one can exchange files using LyX's existing
archive format, or just exchange two files. It isn't that hard.
Richard
