Thanks MIke! Your clarifications are most appreciated! I assume a tokenized .BA file either wont open at all or be "garbled" when opened in notepad or vi whereas a proper plain-text .DO or .BA will be readable.
several low-cost methods of putting TS-DOS into a ROM This is reckon is the "next level" once a new user is familiar enough with getting files in/out and establishing connectivity to a TPDD "server". What are the .lst files on the HTERM page? I assume those are assembler listings? Turbo Assembler? (total guess here). - Lee - 909.437.0250 - Destroying technology problems. On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Mike Stein <[email protected]> wrote: > Not to be too pedantic, but putting .BA and .DO files together might be a > little misleading. A 'real' .BA file can not be successfully transferred > using terminal programs unless you also load something like xmodem etc., > and has to be transferred in the same way as .CO files. > > So I would say '...Plain-text .BA and .DO files transfers using Telcom' > and '...using dlplus to transfer .CO and tokenized .BA files'. > > In the old Compuserve etc. days when binary transfers over a modem were > not available, it was the custom to rename the plaintext <PRGNAM>.DO to > <PRGNAM>.BA to distinguish it from actual .DO document files; before > actually loading them into the ModelT they would have to be renamed to > <PRGNAM>.DO > > But a 'real' .BA file such as what you get when you SAVE a program is a > tokenized binary file which can in fact corrupt the file system if you try > to load it as a text file. > > So, unless you already know, it's a good idea to inspect a .BA file first > to see if it's plain text or tokenized. If it's plain text it must be > loaded into the ModelT with a .DO extension; if it's tokenized it (and also > .CO files) will have to be transferred using a binary-compatible method > such as TEENY, TS-DOS, XMODEM etc. with a suitable 'server' at the other > end. > > Again, LaddieAlpha handles the conversion if necessary. > > Note that there are several low-cost methods of putting TS-DOS into a ROM, > effectively adding it to the OS. > > m > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Lee Olivares <[email protected]> > *To:* Model 100 Discussion <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Friday, April 28, 2017 1:54 PM > *Subject:* Re: [M100] Questions regarding Full Null Modem Cables, specif > Serial to USB > > I'd be happy to create a "bootstrap" page on the bitchin100 wiki to go > into the details I initially got hung up on: > > - Initial serial null modem connection and testing using screen (*nix) > hyperterminal (win) and telcom. > - BA/DO transfers using telcom & screen/minicom. > - Loading DOS (TEENY or TSDOS) using above. > - Using DOS to access dlplus or laddieconalpha to xfer .CO files. > > Logically then it should explain .CO file management, I can summarize the > excellent guidance provided on the list last week. > > And while we're at it some DOS basics like the Load (from),Save (to), and > "Kill" which wasn't an obvious "delete" command to this novice. :) > > - Lee > - 909.437.0250 <(909)%20437-0250> > - Destroying technology problems. > > > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Roger Mullins <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I've never played around with HTERM but I think I might after this >> thread. :-) Maybe fire up Lynx and do some web surfing on my M100. >> >> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Lee Olivares <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> If using minicom to move over BA/DO files be sure to do ASCII transfers, >>> unless you've loaded sxm.100 or another XMODEM compatible telcom >>> enhancement that is. >>> >>> - Lee >>> - 909.437.0250 <(909)%20437-0250> >>> - Destroying technology problems. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 8:33 AM, Mike Stein <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I think what we need is a video showing TS-DOS (preferably in ROM) or >>>> mcomm in action; I don't know why anyone would want to fool with terminal >>>> programs these days (especially at 300 baud ;-) with so many better >>>> alternatives around unless there were a special reason. >>>> >>>> As John pointed out, LaddieAlpha (the 'server')works with all three >>>> platforms. >>>> >>>> For actually logging into a 'NIX system (as opposed to transferring >>>> file) HTERM is a Telcom replacement that uses hardware handshaking to get >>>> around XON/XOFF issues (and run faster). >>>> >>>> BTW, AFAIK you can't transfer 'real' .BA files with terminal programs >>>> or the method below, only plain text .DO versions (although of course they >>>> may be confusingly mislabelled as .BA) That's caused a lot of confusion and >>>> crashes if they're not renamed during the transfer (although I believe >>>> LaddieAlpha also takes care of that issue.) >>>> >>>> m >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Roger Mullins <[email protected]> >>>> *To:* Model 100 Discussion <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 28, 2017 10:59 AM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] Questions regarding Full Null Modem Cables, >>>> specif Serial to USB >>>> >>>> That cable should work fine for you - all I do is go into BASIC on the >>>> M100 and type >>>> >>>> new >>>> load"com:38n1e" >>>> >>>> ...then launch minicom on my Linux box and use 'send file' and select >>>> the .BA (or whatever) file that I've downloaded. Actually I just realized >>>> I've never tried it in reverse but I suppose that would work as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> -Roger >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Paul Bucalo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Roger, what I want to accomplish at this time is what you are doing. I >>>>> download a slew of programs from old archives and I haven't a means of >>>>> getting them into my M100 with the hardware I have now. Today I will order >>>>> the Belkin cable. At $2 bucks and shipping it's worth having around. >>>>> >>>>> I appreciate all the comments and suggestions offered up here. >>>>> Resurrecting my M100 is totally about spending time in the past. I don't >>>>> need this to work for any project or importance. The M100 was my first >>>>> working computer. It was the late 80s. I was a Property and Casualty >>>>> Insurance Agent in a small agency, looking for an automated means of >>>>> contact management. It worked. It worked well. So I look forward to >>>>> playing >>>>> around with the options given. It's not the destination that I look >>>>> forward >>>>> to, but how much I can learn on the way there. Forward to the Past! :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Roger Mullins <[email protected]> >>>>> To: Model 100 Discussion <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Fri, Apr 28, 2017 3:11 am >>>>> Subject: Re: [M100] Questions regarding Full Null Modem Cables, specif >>>>> Serial to USB >>>>> >>>>> Right, that's what it takes for minicom to work properly. My distro is >>>>> actually a hard drive install of Puppy - I have an ancient HP laptop and >>>>> Puppy was the only one that could find my particular Broadcom wireless >>>>> adapter. >>>>> >>>>> Anyhow, that cable works great for no more than I do with it, which is >>>>> basically transferring downloaded files to my M100. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>> From: Daryl Tester <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: 04/27/2017 9:06 PM (GMT-05:00) >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [M100] Questions regarding Full Null Modem Cables, specif >>>>> Serial to USB >>>>> >>>>> Roger wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > I also use Linux, running minicom to communicate with my M100 on >>>>> > ttyd0. From the command line: >>>>> > >>>>> > rm /dev/ttyd0 >>>>> > ln -s ttyUSB0 /dev/ttyd0 >>>>> > minicom >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 20:33:59 -0400, Paul Bucalo wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > You said you are also using Linux. What flavor of Linux are you >>>>> > running that uses ttyd instead of ttyS for serial devices? I only >>>>> > know >>>>> > of BSD/*nix that uses that device designation. >>>>> >>>>> I think he's done that for minicom default reasons, not Linux reasons. >>>>> You can override it (of course) to point at whatever device you like, >>>>> the caveat being that USB serial devices tend to dynamically jump all >>>>> over the place (unless there is some udev magic). >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Daryl Tester >>>>> Handcrafted Computers Pty. Ltd. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
