This worked perfectly, Brian!  I now have a backup system disk and both have 
the write-protect tab on them.

thanks!

By the way, the system is consistently booting now.  Just had to shake the dust 
off of it, I guess.

Still would like to see if I can get the other DVI box working.

Randy


> On Feb 17, 2018, at 10:24 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The easiest way is using the backup program on the system disk.
> 
> It's possible but I think it's probably more difficult with a modern pc. I 
> don't think just any modern floppy controller chip can do it, and you need a 
> 360K drive too, ideally, not the more common 1.2M drive. Then you also need 
> special formatter software, which I don't know how available that is today, 
> and don't know if it would work from dosbox or something. Might have to make 
> a freedos bootable usb stick just to run the disk writing util.
> 
> Steven Adolf has some notes on all that on club100 in the member uploads.
> 
> It's much simpler to just use "BACKUP.SNG" in your case right from the system 
> disk.
> 
> You would boot the dvi normally, then go into basic and:
> 
> RUN"0:FORMAT"
> 
> Then follow the prompts to remove the system disk and put in a disk to be 
> blanked and formatted.
> 
> Then put the system disk back in and:
> 
> NEW
> RUN"0:BACKUP.SNG"
> 
> Then follow the prompts to switch back and forth putting the new disk in, 
> then the system disk, then the new one again, etc, until it's over. Choose 
> All when it asks All or System.
> 
> I would definitely put tape over the write-protect notch on your one 
> remaining working system disk before any of this!
> 
> -- 
> bkw
> 
> On Feb 17, 2018 9:19 PM, "Randall Kindig" <randall.kin...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:randall.kin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I will check that, Brian.  Thanks for your help.
> 
> My other question is around the boot disk.  I was sent 2 boot disks with the 
> cable, but now only 1 seems to work.  I’m worried now only having one working 
> disk.
> 
> How do I back it up?  Is there a way to do that with the DVI?  Can I create 
> one in a different disk drive, like the drive in the TRS-80 Model 4P?
> 
> thanks
> 
> Randy
>> On Feb 17, 2018, at 9:15 PM, Brian White <bw.al...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:bw.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> This sounds consistent with Fugu's idea about old capacitors. It sounds like 
>> both dvi's are marginal, but one is slightly better than the other, and one 
>> of your M100's is slightly better than the other, and so with the two best 
>> ones combined, it just barely works, sometimes.
>> 
>> I would check that voltage as he described and I expanded.
>> 
>> On Feb 17, 2018 8:37 PM, "Randall Kindig" <randall.kin...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:randall.kin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> SUCCESS!
>> 
>> Per John’s suggestion (and was thinking the same thing when he suggested it) 
>> I now have a working system.  I started trying different combinations of 
>> DVI/M100/cable (of which I have 2 each).
>> 
>> DVI #2, M100 #2, Cable #2, no luck
>> 
>> So I swapped out M100 #2 (32K) for M100 #1 (24K/REX), and it worked!
>> 
>> It’s still a little finicky and doesn’t always work, but has worked multiple 
>> times now.  I don’t know if there’s anything I can do to “tune” it so it’s 
>> more consistent, but I”m pumped that I finally got it to work.
>> 
>> I had tried this M100/cable combination with DVI #1, so I’m wondering if 
>> there’s an issue with that DVI.  There also must be an issue of some sort 
>> with M100 #1 as the current DVI/cable setup didn’t work with that machine, 
>> but does with the other.
>> 
>> This sure seems like a finicky setup.  I would love to see a modern DVI 
>> replacement, perhaps with SD card for disk and video output, that would take 
>> up far less desk space and be more robust.
>> 
>> Thanks all!  Any other suggestions for troubleshooting why the M100 (#2) 
>> doesn’t work with this and also why DVI #1 doesn’t work with either M100 
>> would be much appreciated.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>> > On Feb 17, 2018, at 4:22 PM, Randy Kindig <randall.kin...@gmail.com 
>> > <mailto:randall.kin...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I was just thinking the same thing John.  It’s worth a try.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Feb 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, John R. Hogerhuis <jho...@pobox.com 
>> >> <mailto:jho...@pobox.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Btw it occurs to me that there are 16 permutations possible there. Not so 
>> >> high that you couldn’t do all 16 and see if you ever get different 
>> >> results in any of 16 if you haven’t already.
>> >>
>> >> — John.
>> 
> 

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