The missing horizontal stripes could be ab LCD driver issue, LCD glass
issue, zebra strip issue or issue with corrosion on the LCD PCB. 

 

Jeff Birt

 

From: M100 <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Russell Pitman
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 7:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [M100] M100 Information

 

OK, 

 

Progress has been made!  It now seems to boot.  I still feel that a new VR1
is needed as this one is VERY sensitive.

 

Next issue is that of missing lines on the screen...

 

Looks like the screen is in 2 halves and the top line is playing up on
both...

 

Getting excited now, new toy lol

 

Thanks

Russ

 

 

 

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From: Brian K. White <mailto:[email protected]> 
Sent: 01 January 2022 01:18
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
Subject: Re: [M100] M100 Information

 

Thanks much, and wow.

If you look at page 71, pages 70 and 71 are the same, but 70 is a low 
res scan and 71 is a high res scan. It shows both the main and option 
roms right next to each other and sure enough shows that their pinouts 
are different.

I have uploaded a cropped and de-duped copy to archive.org, so for 
everyone else, you can see page 70 here:
https://archive.org/details/kyotronic-kc-85-service-manual/
(download the pdf, the web viewer is super blurry)
https://archive.org/download/kyotronic-kc-85-service-manual/Kyotronic_KC-85_
Service_Manual.pdf


I have the user guide and basic manuals, and I just noticed that the 
user guide the section at the end with all the interface pinouts, 
doesn't even mention the option rom socket at all, even though it does 
include the system bus socket. Though does not include the ram sockets 
either. Even the service manual doesn't mention the option rom socket in 
the same section where all the other interfaces are described. Strange.

I guess this means that if you ever wanted to create an option rom for 
KC-85, you'd actually have to use a Teeprom or REX to do it!

This is super strange. Maybe the M100 pinout was not invented custom for 
the M100 after all? Like maybe Sharp already had a mask rom model with 
this pinout that Kyocera & Tandy just selected from Sharp's existing 
offerings? Or Kyocera created the custom pinout just for the option rom 
for some reason, and Tandy just kept it and even went further to apply 
it to the main rom, again "for some reason"?

-- 
bkw

On 12/31/21 4:59 PM, Stephen Adolph wrote:
> Brian,
> I will send you a link.
> schematic is a bit blurry.
> ALE on pin 23.  yep same as M100.
> 
> image.png
> 
> I still have the original with me, maybe I can get some better diagrams 
> scanned.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 4:51 PM Brian K. White <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]%20%0b> 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
>     On 12/31/21 11:16 AM, Stephen Adolph wrote:
>      > Yep.  Some M100s were built with that PCB, as was the KC-85. 
>     Makes sense.
>      > cheers
>      > Steve
> 
>     Could you send me the docs you have for the kc-85? A few months ago I
>     asked if anyone had downloaded the service manual from the now-dead
>     link
>     in Don Fox's member directory on club100.
> 
>     http://club100.org/memfiles/index.php?directory=Don%20Fox
>     <http://club100.org/memfiles/index.php?directory=Don%20Fox>
> 
>     At that time you said that you thought you had it and would look.
> 
>     I can't believe it's really the same pcb, because if nothing else, I
>     can't believe the kc-85 would have the m100 pinout for the option rom,
>     and even the late model 100's with a standard pinout for the main rom
>     still have the 100 pinout for the option rom.
> 
>     kc-85 also has no bcr port or modem, but it does have the
>     footprints, so
>     possibly the related parts could be populated.
> 
>     -- 
>     bkw
> 


-- 
bkw

 

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