I just can't get over some of that stuff from Bing about "we like quality sites..."
who the what the ever loving F , where do you even begin with that bkw On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 3:20 AM Brian White <[email protected]> wrote: > wow, that article and the others linked from there are quite enlightening. > > I hate to help create a monoculture and single supplier and overlord, but > it looks like Bing and all of it's resellers should just not be used. > > That really sucks because I really hate how much power g already has. > > You'd think Bing or any search engine should want to accept reports from > any random user not just site owners, and it shouldn't matter if a site > owner is willing to satisfy them. It is valuable to some site owners to be > listed, so for some there may be that power dynamic where the engine may > dictate to sites and sites will perform. > > But what about the users? The engine purports to be providing a service of > search results to me a searching user. So in the apparently polyanna > fantasy world I should be able to say to Bing "hey, bug report, here is > some stuff on the net that you're failing to show" and they should consider > that a problem just based on that logic, regardless whether the site owner > cares to have any special relationship with Bing. > > It's almost like Bing doesn't show you what exists, it just shows you the > sites that pay to be seen. Not literally in money but in cooperation in > whatever kind of user manipulation game they are playing. > > I know google exerts the same sort of editorial control themselves though, > so, it's not like they're really any better in principle. > > -- > bkw > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 1:16 AM John R. Hogerhuis <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 7:21 PM Brian K. White <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On 11/11/22 18:59, B 9 wrote: >>> > On a tangent: I need to work on my searching skills. It occurred to me >>> a >>> > while ago that the Tandy 200 schematic looked like the RTS/CTS lines >>> > were fully wired, but when I searched for things like "model 100 >>> serial >>> > port rts cts", I never saw that page... Oh! Wait. The problem may have >>> > been that I was googling with DuckDuckGo. I'm able to get >>> bitchin100.com >>> > <http://bitchin100.com> as the first result when I search for "model >>> 100 >>> > uart", but only on Google. >>> >>> >>> I have noticed this for probably 2 or more years now. I've been meaning >>> to say something but never did. It's like bitchin100 is blacklisted on >>> DDG, (and thus, probably on Bing too). Not only do none of the wiki >>> pages show up, even if you search for literally "bitchin100.com", you >>> can scroll for pages and pages of results forever and never get a single >>> link to any bitchin100.com url, only references to it in other pages, >>> mostly archived mail list posts on Narkive. >>> >>> >> I don't know. I only ever search on Google. The progression for me was >> Gopher, then Altavista, Yahoo, and now Google. Each better than the last, >> haven't felt any compelling need to switch again. Privacy? That ship has >> sailed, went into orbit, crashed into the an asteroid, merged with >> alien spores and is sentient. >> >> And DDG/Bing already don't like me, so... >> >> Maybe Dreamhost IPs are the issue? >> >> As to spammers, some spam was loaded onto the wiki at some point, but it >> wasn't there very long and I cleaned it up. I think it probably predates >> DDG and Bing, and Google has never cared. But that spam attack is why I >> make accounts upon request from members. >> >> URL rewriting... I could do that. But I don't see how it would help. I >> cannot think of a URL scheme that you could easily infer article titles. >> >> Most of Bitchin100 is the wiki. To link, I type bitchin100.com/wiki into >> my url bar, then search in the mediawiki search, find the result, and then >> copy and paste the URL. >> >> "tandy.wiki/REX" >> >> Most of the articles on bitchin100 have longer titles. >> >> B100 links are like >> >> bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Model_100_Serial_Interface >> >> rewriting I guess could skip the "wiki/index.php?title=" boilerplate. >> >> But you'd still need memorize the exact article title... 9/10 I'd end up >> having to search anyway... so I don't see the difference. >> >> >> Here's an interesting article on Bing/DDG >> >> >> https://www.jessesquires.com/blog/2022/03/25/my-website-disappeared-from-bing-and-duckduckgo/ >> >> Sounds like Bing is the way to get your site into DDG. >> >> -- John. >> >
