Babel Fish Translation Help In English: not frank, you have understood very well the sense of mine, and that one of your answer is equally obvious, in spite of the svarioni of the translator (and that they are po' also others to use it: -) hello,
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > no franco, hai capito benissimo il senso della mia, > e quello della tua risposta > รจ altrettanto evidente, nonostante gli svarioni del > traduttore (e che siano > un po' anche gli altri ad usarlo :-) > ciao, > Vittore > > > > >Dear friends, > >I have tried to understand the Dodo-text with an > electronic translator, > >therefore you will excuse me. > >In effects, I am also me remained surprised by the > indifference to this > thin > >provocation. I have given guilt to the summer > period, but I am not > >convinced! > >I fear that the mail art both for many only a > hobby, while I have tried > some > >deep emotions and great changes in my thought on > the art. Today I have moved > >all these my changes to the direct meetings with > the artists. Because the > >thought of the mail art evolves and continuous to > produce good changes in > >the mind of the men. The world has taken an ugly > road and they won't be > the > >governments to change rout. Each of those of us > that he/she believes in > the > >collaboration it has to throw to him on the sleeves > and to personally > >undertake. The art is life. The art of exchange, > the art of the peace makes > >to become life beautiful. > >I apologize for the bad translation. But I meant my > thought. Thanks. > >Franco > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > >Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 9:03 AM > >Subject: Re: (",) Re: dodo not dada > > > > > > > >Dear Kevin, > >many thanks for your kind and thoughtful answers, > my Dodo-text was indeed > >purposedly over-pessimist as a sort of provocation > (and a feedback in the > >first place to some Dodo mailings I got from other > mail-artists, so part > >of a collective "game). I was bewildered too by the > total lack of answers > >from the ma newsgroup, so your words (and b saved > too, I should add) make > >it a bit less surrealistic to me. I experienced the > same feeling in the > >past, > >when I posted a text pointing to the fact that my > AAA Editions is the only > >small publishing house in the world to have > produced 3 books on the history > >of mail art (2 of which in English/Italian) and > only about 10 copies of > each > >were sold to mail artists despite a large > circilation of info about it > >(luckily, > >I sold enough in the normal Italian bookstores to > almost cover the costs). > >I am not bitter about it, I enjoyed doing it and > will do it again, I am > just > >bewildered by the surrealistic lack of interest in > the history of the medium > >from the part of those who take part in it. Yes, > there probably never was > >a true mail art community, just an oneiric utopia > from us seasoned old > >hippies. > >It's everyone for himself, homo homini lupus, and > all that :-) And you are > >right on live8 too, at least half of the acts > should have been African, > or > >it's just hypocritical self-promotion (of course, > Bush didn't move an > >eyelid, > >so what can we do?). > >I thank you again for your much needed human > contact, to touch paper just > >write to > >vittore baroni, via c. battisti 339, 55049 > viareggio, italy > > > >ciao, V. > > > >><html><body> > >> > >> > >><tt> > >>freightening that there hasn't been any comment > (at least in the<BR> > >>group) on the email and its contents, so i'll > throw a few typed<BR> > >>letters onto the screen<BR> > >><BR> > >>On 7/18/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:<BR> > >>> I recently wrote this short text for a > snail-mail mailing cum dodo ATC > >>attached,<BR> > >>> am I just a old embittered snob totally off > mark?<BR> > >>> VB<BR> > >>> <BR> > >>> DODO not DADA - summer reflections on a shiny > mailbox<BR> > >>> <BR> > >>> So, is mail art still alive or (almost) extinct? > Though I never > >stopped<BR> > >>> swimming in the correspondence flow since I > first entered the postal > >>network<BR> > >>> way back in the late Seventies, this question is > becoming more and > >more<BR> > >>> difficult to answer. The mail art community, if > there ever was one, > >>from<BR> > >>> my observation point seems to be receding into > utter obscurity or > >melting<BR> > >>> into (Inter)net-art, which is a wonderful but > rather different kind > >>of experience.<BR> > >><BR> > >>here it seems that you are saying that there is a > community, otherwise<BR> > >>it could not recede into utter obscurity. you are > framing this<BR> > >>statement with such a pessimistic tone that it > would be hard to want<BR> > >>to do anything. starting back at the beginning, > (almost) extinct is<BR> > >>still alive (tho, a wonderful turn of phrase that > (almost) extinct).<BR> > >><BR> > >>> Yes, there are still mail art shows and > ?festivals? being organized > >>around<BR> > >>> the (Western) world, but the medium has become a > bit stale and tired, > >>the<BR> > >>> original feeling of excitement and discovery is > long gone (and this > >>is understandable<BR> > >>> for a phenomenon that spans four decades, no > small feat in itself!) > >>but<BR> > >>> it has not been replaced by the wisdom and > maturity that old age > >usually<BR> > >>> brings forth. I perceive a forced mood of > ?eternal youth? for a medium > >>that<BR> > >>> has had its days. <BR> > >><BR> > >>this mode of 'eternal youth', who is behind it? i > make no claims to<BR> > >>having been in the mail-art community for a long > time, indeed i'm a<BR> > >>rube, however i would suggest that those behind > the eternal youth<BR> > >>message are *probably* people who are, well, > older<BR> > >><BR> > >>The very symbols of correspondence (artists? > postage stamps,<BR> > >>> rubber stamps, postcards, envelopes, etc.) are > being gradually > >abandoned,<BR> > >>> they are not the main focus of postal activities > anymore, or they have > >>become<BR> > >>> rare practices pursued by a dwindling number of > veterans. Artists? > >Trading<BR> > >>> Cards might be a cute new twist to the old game, > but it never really > >>spread<BR> > >>> out and conceptually I find it a bit weak, > missing a precise link with > >>the<BR> > >>> postal medium (and art history). Mail art lost a > centre of gravity, > >>its<BR> > >>> identity fragmented into a myriad of individual > projects, and not many > >>seem<BR> > >>> to care much anymore about a communal > ?philosophy?. <BR> > >><BR> > >>can't an 'individual project' exist within a > communal philosophy?<BR> > >>can't this be the next possibility to > 're-invigorate'? this is, for<BR> > >>me, the balancing act and one of the more > interesting points raised<BR> > >>within the essay<BR> > >><BR> > >>Old mail artists die<BR> > >>> - too many to mention, r.i.p. - and the > newcomers are often unaware > >>of mail<BR> > >>> art?s tradition (yet there are books available > to be read, just check > >>Google<BR> > >>> or Amazon!), so the dream of a global and > peaceful community of > >artists<BR> > >>> sharing experiences is fading away into > underground myth and urban > >legends.<BR> > >>> Something you will tell to your grandchildren, > and they will smile and > >>shake<BR> > >>> their heads in disbelief?<BR> > >>> <BR> > >>> I find rather telling the fact that one of the > few ?signs of > >networking<BR> > >>> life? - messages that are not aimed at > individuals but rather > >addressed<BR> > >>> to the entire circuit of postal artists - that I > noticed in the past > >>few<BR> > >>> months is a series of loosely connected mailings > (from Lumb, Bates, > >>Brignull<BR> > >>> and others) comparing mail art to the Dodo, the > notorious exotic bird > >>that<BR> > >>> has come to represent the endangered animal > species par excellence. > >><BR> > >><BR> > >>a period of pessimism seems expected, that aside, > are(n't) messages<BR> > >>aimed at the idea of mail-art, the entire > community, possibilities for<BR> > >>discussion, for dialogue, indeed for community > building?<BR> > >><BR> > >>So I<BR> > >>> am not the only pessimist networker feeling the > ground shake under his > >>feet.<BR> > >>> Things have changed a great deal in the almost > thirty years I spent > >>inside<BR> > >>> (and outside) the postal net: riding on the > crest of the new wave/punk > >>energy<BR> > >>> in the Seventies, but still maintaining the > positive ideals of the > >Hippie<BR> > >>> era, resisting the boredom of the Eighties and > Nineties clinging to > >>the<BR> > >>> collectivist Utopia of a free-for-all and open > trading system, > >entering<BR> > >>> the new Millennium to find out that, after all, > maybe those cynical > >>punks<BR> > >>> were right, this is a ?no future? situation for > the planet. Evil > >forces<BR> > >>> prevail, the model for global cooperation that > mail art so well > >exemplified<BR> > >>> proved inapplicable to the big numbers. <BR> > >><BR> > >>as someone who grew up during the 20 years of > great boredom that you<BR> > >>mention, it seems to me absolutely foolish that > people actually<BR> > >>believed that mail-art, or any artistic practice, > could prevail over<BR> > >>the evil forces (loosely defined)<BR> > >><BR> > >>Maybe all the money we dumped in<BR> > >>> postage stamps and photocopies would have been > better invested in some > >>charity<BR> > >>> project, maybe a little voluntary social work > would have been less > >wasted<BR> > >>> time. <BR> > >><BR> > >>it isn't a waste of time, you did indeed take > pleasure from these<BR> > >>activities, and clearly you are passionate about > it. but, reflecting<BR> > >>what i typed above, if one wants to make a truly > immediate impact,<BR> > >>than yes volunteering is a better way to go. the > impact of artisitic<BR> > >>and mail-art activities can't be wide-spread, but > it is 'more<BR> > >>targeted' as an individual opens a package as > opposed to, for example,<BR> > >>teaching a group of adults literacy. it is unfair > to compare charity<BR> > >>versus art in this vein. ross priddle brought up a > sound point a month<BR> > >>or two ago but in a different context, namely that > mail-art, or all<BR> > >>art requires a degree of leisure time and > disposable income--at least<BR> > >>in north america, definitely in the united > states<BR> > >><BR> > >>But just see what millions of people reunited by > music with the ?Live8?<BR> > >>> event has been able to obtain by the powers that > rule the Earth: next > >>to<BR> > >>> nothing. Contemporary popular culture has > touched an unprecedented > >low,<BR> > >>> the new generations have got used to a diet of > heartless blockbusters > >>and<BR> > >>> mindless bestsellers. Mail art is not the only > endangered Dodo > >around.<BR> > >><BR> > >>true, but the promoters and participants in > 'Live8' were a little<BR> > >>self-congratulatory about all 'the good work' they > were doing by<BR> > >>playing pop songs<BR> > >><BR> > >>vittore, i appreciate your wisdom (despite what > you wrote earlier that<BR> > >>mail-art, with age, has gained none!) and for > bringing up the points<BR> > >>you raise--bill wilson who has grown silent, and > probably does not<BR> > >>wish for me to circulate his name is another > person who has much to<BR> > >>offer. everything you two (and guido is very good > too) not to mention<BR> > >>(fuck, this has turned into an awards banquet, > 'and i would like to<BR> > >>thank') tamara okay, enough of names--i think my > sentiment is clear<BR> > >><BR> > >>xoxo<BR> > >><BR> > >>kevin<BR> > >><BR> > >>> The Dodo was a mild bird with a hooked beak and > a gentle spirit. When > >>the<BR> > >>> Portuguese sailors first discovered the friendly > bird on the shores > >>of the<BR> > >>> island of Mauritius in the year 1598, they > called it ?dodo? > >(?simpleton?)<BR> > >>> mistaking his child-like innocence and lack of > fear as stupidity. > >Being<BR> > >>> also unable to fly, the bird was easily killed > by men and by other new > >>animals<BR> > >>> introduced in its environment, like dogs and > pigs. By the year 1681, > >>the<BR> > >>> Dodo had been completely wiped out from the face > of the planet. We do > >>not<BR> > >>> even have a complete skeleton, so the bird only > lives today through > >>the<BR> > >>> rare descriptions of the time and the pictures > of artists, such as the > >>drawing<BR> > >>> made by Sir John Tenniel for Lewis Carroll?s > Alice in Wonderland. > >Maybe<BR> > >>> the same will happen to mail art in a near > future, when postage rates > >>will<BR> > >>> have become even more expensive: artistamps and > such ephemera will > >survive<BR> > >>> only in the description and catalogues of a few > devoted bibliographers > >>and<BR> > >>> scholars. Mail art is not only endangered by > sky-rocketing postage > >rates<BR> > >>> though, I think the most perilous risk factors > are not those that come > >>from<BR> > >>> outside but those that spring from its own > ranks. I notice a > >widespread<BR> > >>> lack of interest in mail art history (taking at > face value Ray > >Johnson?s<BR> > >>> pun ?mail art has no history, only a present? > may have fatal > >consequences!),<BR> > >>> so there is a consequent scarcity of magazines > or forums for a > >collective<BR> > >>> debate on the relevant issues related to > networking (there are a few > >>newsgroups<BR> > >>> on the Internet, I peeped into them, but it is > mostly small talk and > >>unrelated<BR> > >>> projects). Ultimately, mail art is folding on > itself for the general > >>inability<BR> > >>> to come up with new networking concepts, > different from the worn-out > >>?theme<BR> > >>> show? format, the ageing ?assembling? zine, the > never ending > >chain-letter-like<BR> > >>> add-to-and-pass-on formula. I am not just > whining and preaching, I try > >>to<BR> > >>> do my bit: with the participation to the > Funtastic United Network > >concept<BR> > >>> (SUN of FUN convention organized by Piermario > Ciani coming up in early > >>September),<BR> > >>> with the When the Saints show of alternative > ?holy images? (the second > >>?station?<BR> > >>> opening in Pisa at the end of September), with > the planned Luther > >Blissett<BR> > >>> multiple name decennial commemoractive dvd, just > to mention three > >recent<BR> > >>> projects in progress, I try to take networking > tactics into new > >grounds.<BR> > >>> The doomed AAA book on artists? postcards may > finally see the light > >>one<BR> > >>> of these days, and there are other publications > placing mail art in > >>a historical<BR> > >>> perspective bubbling to be published soon (by > John Held Jr., Mark > >Bloch<BR> > >>> and others). I may be one of the ?last dodos?, > but I will not be > >crushed<BR> > >>> down so easily and without reaction. Wanna join > the fight?<BR> > >>> <BR> > >>> Vittore Baroni > >>@ E.O.N. ? July 2005<BR> > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe, send an email to: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Mailinglist from Sztuka Fabryka > >http://www.sztuka-fabryka.be/ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Mailinglist from Sztuka Fabryka > http://www.sztuka-fabryka.be/ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > It's another blog! http://flobberlob.blogspot.com/ ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglist from Sztuka Fabryka http://www.sztuka-fabryka.be/ Yahoo! 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