Re: (",) Re: Intrinsically interesting?

Mon, 19 Jun 2006 04:55:13 -0700

i've seen art that i thought was in no way interesting or engaging to me. but, in each case, there must be at least 1 that does find a work interesting or engaging and if mail-art is supposedly the bastion of no judge/no jury it is hard to understand why this thread is even occuring here.

On 6/19/06, mailart_manekineko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It's ok to express that some art is boring. Some art sucks. Are you
telling me you've never come across a piece of art that sucks?

What I am observing is a whole lot of ideas in mail art becoming
stale as time and technology move on.

I am seeing social networking via abstract means as a mainstream
activity now.

I am seeing abstract means of trading creative goods as a headline
news story almost every week.

I am seeing poetry ala Rain Rien Lambertism showing up in my spam box
every day.

I am seeing creative and decorative advertisements mailed to my house
in bulk via corporations.

And I'm seeing people posting very mundane details of their eveyday
lives on the web daily.

So for me, art that corresponds with these things is less
interesting - the world I live in is so saturated with these things
already.

--- In [email protected], "kevin thurston"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> the following is a response, like the others, that have not seen
the work in
> question. so, i too will type in generalities.
>
> while i appreciate the candor, i disagree with the assessment. a
collection
> of receipts and other detritus can make for fascinating art, or at
least a
> social record (and there certainly is room in art for the idea of
social
> mapping) that one can view as art.
>
> it seems pretentious to think that a few rubber stamps on an
envelope (grant
> you this is a glib example) somehow trumps a package of receipts.
because in
> both cases the intent (to make something that can be called 'mail
art') is
> there.
>
> be interested in what you will, but to think that what is
interesting to you
> is intrinsically more interesting is a dangerous path to head down.
>
> frankly, i think plenty of mail art is produced by factories in the
third
> world where they give children $0.000000004/hour some glue and, oh
look,
> social detritus and say decorate this and send it--
>
> On 6/18/06, mailart_manekineko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I'd likely tell him it sucked.
> >
> > "How do you like my reciepts and can labels?"
> >
> > "I think they suck, why do you ask?"
> >
> > Just because it's art doen't mean it's interesting.
> >
> > --manekineko
> > www.mailart.org
> >
> > --- In [email protected] <ma-network%40yahoogroups.com>,
Alice
> > Kitselman <dragonfly@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi gang,
> > >
> > > Last month I received a piece of mail art from someone I'd not
> > > heard from before. He sent me a decorated envelope with a bunch
of
> > > daily junk in it. You know like receipts and pages from a
> > calendar,
> > > food labels...... He asked what I thought of his mail art.
Yikes,
> > I
> > > thought. Well, to be honest I like to see a little more art in
my
> > > mail art I ventured to say. I sent him back a print of you of my
> > > digital art pieces and decorated the envelope. His response was
> > that
> > > he used to do drawing and perhaps one day he would send me one.
He
> > > also said that maybe some folks are just "more serious" about
> > their
> > > mail art. So this has got me thinking.....what in the world did
he
> > > mean by that? Serious about mail art? I think long ago i was
> > > "serious" about mail art. I kept a file on my computer of names
> > and
> > > addresses and what I'd sent to who and when. I updated my
website
> > at
> > > least weekly. I sent out mail art every day. I issued a few mail
> > art
> > > calls over the years and posted the receivings on the website. I
> > sent
> > > out documentation. I entered mail art calls left and right. I
> > updated
> > > my lists.....it went on and on. It was fun. I really felt I was
> > part
> > > of something. But over the years my lists became pages in a note
> > > book. I did not have the time or interest to update my site as
> > often
> > > as I'd like to. I forgot to list what I sent to who... I no
longer
> > > could keep up with entering mail art calls on my site and opted
for
> > a
> > > guestbook when folks could post their calls. And then as life
> > would
> > > have it I faded out of mail art for a couple of years. The mail
> > art
> > > kept arriving but I just could not keep up. Talk about GUILT!!!
> > > Eventually folks quit sending as much and some folks just kept
on
> > > sending. Finally, finally I slowly got back into sending stuff
out.
> > I
> > > haven't made an artistamp in years. I really haven't sent stuff
> > out
> > > to any calls. I pretty much gave up on keeping lists and send
> > > whatever I feel like out rather than worrying about it. So am I
> > > serious about mail art? Yes, I think so. But what is serious
about
> > > mail art anyway?????????
> > >
> > > Dragonfly Dream
> > > www.dragonflydream.com
> > >
> > > "Paradise is exactly like where you are right now... only much,
> > > much better."
> > > -- Laurie Anderson




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