Okay I had it! For those who brow beet CF over issues such as what I am going to right. 1. CF's browser does not support streaming, download so there for its crap. Its been said here buy others but Cf made a browser with the most used features. I hope for streaming, downloading in the next release. Quite frankly, the other browser would have driven me crazy to use then I would gone to the Iphone. Thanks to cf I have a browser that Google news can bee red on and etc. 2. HTC's sense is on my phone because I own a HTC phone with that pesky sense UI. If it were not for CF I would have settled for a phone with lesser specs because the dialer with HTC sense UI would have kept me from using that basic feature. Yes there is the talking dialer but it did not always work for me. 3. CF Virtual keyboard I have to say I love!! Even more then the keyboard on IOS. It allows me to capitalize words with out changing keyboards, use some simbles with out having to change to the simples keyboard. 4. I actually like there screenreader because it seems to me more feedback comes from MA then talkback sometimes. I agree this is not all ways the case. So, keep it up CF and please drop a few tid bits on this list as to where MA is in development cycle. :)
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 2:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: ma_mailing Digest, Vol 72, Issue 4 Send ma_mailing mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://list.codefactory.cat/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.cat.ma_mailing or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ma_mailing digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Code factory, please take notes of these opinions (Mukesh Sharma) 2. ma voice as default speech engine. (Dusty Tague) 3. Re: ma voice as default speech engine. (Amanda Chokov) 4. Re: ma voice as default speech engine. (Denise Thompson) 5. Re: ma voice as default speech engine. (Allan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:50:50 +0530 From: "Mukesh Sharma" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MA] Code factory, please take notes of these opinions To: "Allan" <[email protected]>, "Mobile Accessibility Android Users List" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <010c01cc900d$68488720$0201a6c0@mukesh> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original We Take note of every problem reported on mailing list and Help desk and work on them to the best possible extent. FYI we are also working on SDK 4.0 evaluation of how best we can enhance / implement things in MA. Regarding the phone list, remember, Android has a very dynamic device market and with MA we have come up with specific requirement to be able to run MA and in addition every country / network list / name phone with different name. MA requires Android 2.1 or higher to run and we recommend Android 2.2 or higher to be able to take advantage of voice recognition which is available on device having Android 2.2 or higher. The second requirement is of navigation aid such as arrow keys or track ball or d-pad which is required in order to be able to navigate the phone outside Mobile Accessibility. Please note, there are touch navigation keyboard available but for some menus / list they do not work so it is better to have navigation aid. Lastly, we recommend a phone with built in keyboard as touch screen keyboard typing is always slower than what one can do with physical keyboard but it is a matter of personal choice. Regards Support Submit Help Desk Ticket at http://www.codefactory.cat/helpdesk/index.php?a=add Code Factory Making mobile phones and PDAs accessible to the blind and visually impaired. Moving Accessibility Forward! www.codefactory.es Follow us on Twitter at http://twitter.com/codefactory and on our blog at http://codefactoryblog.wordpress.com/ To learn more about Mobile Speak 4 visit http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=318 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan" <[email protected]> To: "Mobile Accessibility Android Users List" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [MA] Code factory, please take notes of these opinions > wow! this concern has been posted to the list for more than 48 hours by > now, but there's no one from the said company (code factory) > taking effort to give a short word at least. this making me feel that > people from this company has off for vacation after releasing > MA 1.5 and will only back to the drawing board next year when they feel is > the time for another small update release, perhaps 1.5.1. > > so, i think we should take a rest for now until next year when they feel > is time to respond to us. > > > -- > > Allan (WKF) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dusty Tague" <[email protected]> > To: "Mobile Accessibility Android Users List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 20:59 > Subject: Re: [MA] Code factory, please take notes of these opinions > > > Agreed, but at least there is a work around on one of your concerns, > pressing menu twice on an item in the market that doesn't speak the name > refreshes the location and speaks the item's name. Unfortunately, that > must be done every time you move to a non spoken item. > > At least use the blog. to communicate important information. > > On 10/20/2011 10:48 PM, Alcidonis Law Office wrote: >> I would encourage participants to keep this discussion respectful and >> on topic. >> >> My problem with Code Factory is that it does not communicate with its >> customers unless it is releasing a new product. There are many and >> many Podcasts on the web about each and every single products by Code >> Factory. Can't they pay those same folks, probably the same amount of >> money to quickly update their customers? I mean, I am being a bit >> facetious here, but not completely. they truly need a PR department. >> They need someone to just answer questions when possible and tell >> clients to wait when warranted. the business model of remaining silent >> until we release a big update would fail immediately if there was a >> true competitor on the market. >> >> Write something on the listserv telling customers you will provide >> further updates in two months, three months, six months. Be >> responsive. Don't just ignore people's concerns so egregiously. I >> would love to know if they are working on a fix for the Android >> market. I would want to know what the new accessibility features mean >> for further development. I would want to have my questions answered >> without releasing stuff they don't want to have released as yet. >> People aren't looking for news about their development cycles, we are >> looking for information so we can make informed choices. I truly wish >> they take notice this time. >> >> >> Rod Alcidonis, Esq. >> Principal Attorney >> Alcidonis Law Office, LLC >> 6622 Castor Avenue >> 1st Floor >> Philadelphia, PA 19149 >> Tel: (215) 305-8085 >> Fax: (215) 525-0999 >> Work: [email protected] >> Listservs: [email protected] >> >> We represent clients in criminal defense, no-fault divorce/child >> custody, personal injury, and immigration matters. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Mike Arrigo >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:37 PM >> To: [email protected] ; Mobile Accessibility Android Users List >> Subject: Re: [MA] Codefactory, please take notes of these opinions >> >> Well said, I was not going to involve myself in this thread but I will >> say a few things. The product is still very new, and considering this, >> I think it does quite a bit. Ok, the browser does not have streaming, >> that would be nice, but that's not a feature worth delaying the >> release of a product. More people use a browser to read pages than to >> stream audio, I think what code factory tried to do was include the >> most important, most used features first. Android is a totally >> different environment from Symbian and windows mobile, for me at >> least, I have no regrets on purchasing it. >> On Oct 20, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Brad Ford wrote: >> >>> Wow. Way 2 bash 1 of the only companies trying 2 make android >>> accessable. It seems u arent a program designer. If u were, u would >>> really understand how long it takes for these kinds of things 2 be >>> developed. U pay for the app because of that time and effort made 2 >>> design ma. There is a way 2 have feedback without brow beating an >>> entire company. >>> Besides all that, the app is really still very new. It took freedom >>> scientific ages 2 get the bugs out of jaws. They still have a few bugs. >>> Did u ever think that maybe its more the fact that u either had false >>> expectations when downloading it coz u had a phone with mobile speak >>> before? Maybe its also coz u arent that great a touch screen user, >>> lets face it, not every blind person likes or can use a touch screen. >>> The key is 2 open ur mind and be adaptable coz afterall, all software >>> designed for the blind is adaptable. >>> Regards >>> brad >>> -----Original message----- >>> From: Nimer M. Jaber IC3 >>> Sent: 21/10/2011, 7:34 am >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [MA] Codefactory, please take notes of these opinions >>> >>> >>> Mike, >>> >>> My comments resulted from the half-ass job they did with the access >>> they _did provide. I downloaded it mainly for testing purposes but >>> also because of the email client and web browser, but I was shocked at >>> how little attention they paid to making their product truly usable. I >>> mean, what kind of a browser doesn't provide streaming? And it takes a >>> sighted person who has no experience with the blind to say "Oh, we >>> should include a where am I app because poor helpless blind people are >>> always getting lost and they should know their address every two >>> inches while walking but the intersection isn't that important because >>> why would blind people care about that"? And it's not like the cloud >>> hasn't been around for a while now ... I mean, how difficult would it >>> be to make the google calendar and the MA calendar sync? And maybe >>> provide push notifications for the MA calendar? Like "Hey, you have an >>> appointment coming up, here's a little alarm to remind you". Or are we >>> substandard phone users who wouldn't wish to appreciate the features >>> that every single sighted phone and/or droid user has enjoyed for the >>> past few years? now, before people start blocking me because of >>> negative posts, I am enjoying certain aspects of mobile accessibility. >>> The apps list with its removing apps being right there in the menu, >>> the email app for the most part, the calendar even are excellent apps, >>> and the voice is excellent. But it is extremely lacking, I don't know >>> if there are any MA representatives keeping an eye on this list, and I >>> haven't seen an effort to fix these issues even though I have seen the >>> same things I'm posting about over and over on many different lists. >>> Now maybe they're going to come out with an awesome new update that >>> fixes all of this. At that point, I will try it out and say "Wow, I'm >>> sorry codefactory, you really have innovated and come a long way". >>> Until then, how can I recomment that a user pay the most money for any >>> app I have used on the android market when it doesn't provide too much >>> more access than other free alternatives? This is especially true with >>> the release of the accessible browser in ICS. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> On 20.10.2011, Mike Arrigo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hey everyone, while we all would like more answers, remember that the >>>> new version of android has just been released, at least the SDK has. >>>> Also, there are other companies that don't provide a lot of feedback >>>> until a product is released, Apple is probably most known for this. >>>> Original message: >>>>> Hi all I am sure code factory will do us proud and it would be nice >>>>> if we >>>>> had some answers but the more they answer emails the less time they >>>>> have >>>>> to >>>>> develop things. 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To: Mobile accessibility mailing list <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Here is a suggestion, How about giving us an option to use ma's voice as the voice for the default speech engine. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 13:47:41 -0400 From: Amanda Chokov <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MA] ma voice as default speech engine. To: [email protected], Mobile Accessibility Android Users List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <CADpC6c=uUdLsee5qtE6njitfPX_6tpwrtDdi5uus=bvyrjk...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I would like to see this, too. If we can set some other voice as MA's default, why not set Ma's voice as the default? On 10/21/11, Dusty Tague <[email protected]> wrote: > Here is a suggestion, How about giving us an option to use ma's voice as > the voice for the default speech engine. > > > _______________________________________________ > ma_mailing mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.codefactory.cat/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.cat.ma_mailing > -- Amanda Christine Chokov ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:03:30 -0700 From: Denise Thompson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MA] ma voice as default speech engine. To: [email protected], Mobile Accessibility Android Users List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <20111021180334.tmro3766.fed1rmfepo202.cox....@fed1rmimpo209.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I definitely second that. At 10:37 AM 10/21/2011, you wrote: >Here is a suggestion, How about giving us an option to use ma's >voice as the voice for the default speech engine. > > >_______________________________________________ >ma_mailing mailing list >[email protected] >http://list.codefactory.cat/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.cat.ma_mailing -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.codefactory.cat/mailman/private/codefactory.cat.ma_mailing/attac hments/20111021/e8abc181/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 02:06:48 +0800 From: "Allan" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MA] ma voice as default speech engine. To: "Mobile Accessibility Android Users List" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <E811E9FA84EC4DC0B9413468C5CE3F68@OEM11073001> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" the reason just very obvious, because CF paid license fee to Nuance for the Vocalizer voice, therefore it cannot be use as default voice for the use of other screen reader. got it? -- Allan (WKF) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Chokov" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Mobile Accessibility Android Users List" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 01:47 Subject: Re: [MA] ma voice as default speech engine. I would like to see this, too. If we can set some other voice as MA's default, why not set Ma's voice as the default? On 10/21/11, Dusty Tague <[email protected]> wrote: > Here is a suggestion, How about giving us an option to use ma's voice as > the voice for the default speech engine. > > > _______________________________________________ > ma_mailing mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.codefactory.cat/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.cat.ma_mailing > -- Amanda Christine Chokov _______________________________________________ ma_mailing mailing list [email protected] http://list.codefactory.cat/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.cat.ma_mailing ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ ma_mailing mailing list [email protected] http://list.codefactory.cat/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.cat.ma_mailing End of ma_mailing Digest, Vol 72, Issue 4 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ ma_mailing mailing list [email protected] http://list.codefactory.cat/mailman/listinfo/codefactory.cat.ma_mailing
