Really.  I'll have to try this and then see if I can pick my home screen.


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Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:26:27 -0700
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Ok how do you clear your cash or settings?


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Actually HTC sense is a skin over android or pest if you ask me.  Any way
clearing your settings or cash, and other settings should allow you to pick
your home screen.

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> Subject: Re: [MA] Questions about MA lite and using apps
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> if you have m.a.lite checked, then have talk back checked as well, all 
> others should be unchecked.
> the reason, why the talkback is not working, is because all the other 
> screen readers are running at the same time, so the system would be 
> confused in witch one should it use.
>    HTH.
> good luck.
>
>
> From: Greg Wocher
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 8:17 PM
> To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List
> Subject: Re: [MA] Questions about MA lite and using apps
>
> Hello,
> I had my dad go into the accessibility settings and talkback, 
> kickback, and soundback are all checked.  They are greyed out for some 
> reason and don't work at all outside of MA lite.  Iam using a Samsung 
> Captivate Glide if that makes a difference.  What am Idoing wrong that 
> talkback won't work outside MA lite?
> Thanks,
> Greg W.
>
> On 5/14/2012 7:38 PM, Courtney Tater wrote:
>   Greg,
>
>   Talkback will work after you check it under android settings / 
> accessibility
>   ***MOBILE
>   Courtney Tater
>
>
>   Greg Wocher mailto:[email protected] wrote:
> Hello all,
> Is talkback suppose to work when I go outside of MA lite?  If it does 
> not then how do I use any apps I install on my phone?
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> I am still having the same problem as well. Now you should know that I 
> am running S Vox classic with grace along with Mobile Accessibility 
> but still HTC Sense is running mainly and I have to fight to get to 
> mobile accessibility as the main opporator.  My nephew also got rid of 
> the amazon ap store and downloaded the play store instead.  Not sure if I
like that.
> Someone help quick before I throw my phone.
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> Robertson
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 4:11 PM
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> Yes, Brad and everyone.  I once again had sighted assistance today at 
> work, but to no avail.  HTC Sense is like a bad penny, it keeps 
> popping up rather than just run in the background.  I tried all previous
steps suggested.
> This is frustrating, you know?  For me MA and the HTC phone were 
> perfect up until Friday of last week.  Jeff and Dusty are the lucky 
> one's on this list.
> Please if anyone gets or hears about anymore fixes, please post.  I 
> was told at the ATT Store on Saturday, that I can't just delete HTC 
> Sense, as it is incorporated into the operating system of the phone, 
> similar to how Windows
> 7 or XP is the Operating system on your computer.
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> From: Greg Wocher <[email protected]>
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> Hello all,
> I just recently purchased a Samsung Captivate Glide and installed MA 
> lite on it.  Does MA lite work outside its suite of apps?  Also, how 
> do I get the caller ID to talk?
> Thanks,
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> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 08:08:56 -0400
> From: David Rolon <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [MA] MA lite for AT and T
> To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List
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> Yes MA does speak outside of it's apps just make shore in settings 
> accissability that both MA and accissability are both checked also if 
> you have A select or enter key besides the 1 to answer the phone press 
> 1 of those when the phone starts to ring and it should stop the ringer 
> and tell you the name or number of the person that is calling hope 
> that works good luck
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 14, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Greg Wocher <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> I just recently purchased a Samsung Captivate Glide and installed MA 
>> lite
> on it.  Does MA lite work outside its suite of apps?  Also, how do I 
> get the caller ID to talk?
>> Thanks,
>> Greg W.
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> From: "brad" <[email protected]>
> Subject: RE: [MA] RE: ma_mailing Digest, Vol 273,     Issue 1 (MA and HTC
>       Phone Issue Update)
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> I cannot get a list to pop up after I hit the home key.  I am having 
> the same trouble as well and am using the evo shift.  Cannot get HTC 
> Sense to go away and mobile accessibility to come back as the main 
> program running as the default.  Help.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dusty Tague
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 3:02 PM
> To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List
> Cc: Virginia Robertson
> Subject: Re: [MA] RE: ma_mailing Digest, Vol 273, Issue 1 (MA and HTC 
> Phone Issue Update)
>
> When you press the home button, do you get a list of different options?
> If so scroll to the bottom, place a check mark on use as system 
> default, with your select/enter key, scroll back up to the home screen 
> you want, mobile Accessibility for example, and choose that.  Now htc 
> sense won't pop up.
>
> Dusty
>
>
> On 5/13/2012 11:11 AM, Virginia Robertson wrote:
>> Thank you Jeff.  I am so grateful that MA has this list.  Hey, I 
>> tried to go into the menu.  While I found HTC Sense, it said "Clear 
>> Defaults
> Disable".
>> I could not make any changes to get HTC Sense to stop popping up.  I 
>> did see another option in the list besides "Clear Defaults" that said
> ""Force Stop".
>> Help, please get back to me; don't know where to go from here.  Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:53:46 GMT
>> From: "Jeff J Worthington"<[email protected]>
>> Subject: [MA] MA. and tablats
>> To: [email protected]
>> Message-ID:<[email protected]>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> Good morning.
>> I am looking at getting a tablat that T-mobile has. It has a keyboard.
>> My question is will MA work on it? Is it just for phones or tablats 
>> as
> well?
>> Thanks
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:22:28 +0200
>> From: Martin Thomas Schrott<[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [MA] MA. and tablats
>> To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List
>>      <[email protected]>
>> Message-ID:<[email protected]>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> as codefactory replied to this question when I asked that, they do 
>> not support tablets right now. There is no information if they plan 
>> to do so in future.
>> If the tablet from t-mobile runs android 4.x (ice cream sandwich) you 
>> could use the tablet with talkback.
>> best wishes,
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> Am 12.05.2012 13:53, schrieb jeff J Worthington:
>>> Good morning.
>>> I am looking at getting a tablat that T-mobile has. It has a 
>>> keyboard. My
>> question is will MA work on it? Is it just for phones or tablats as well?
>>> Thanks
>>> Jeff
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 09:10:17 -0400
>> From: David Rolon<[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [MA] MA. and tablats
>> To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List
>>      <[email protected]>
>> Cc: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>
>> Message-ID:<[email protected]>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
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>> The last time I herd MA did not work on tablits but code factery was 
>> working on that but if it has 4.0 it might work verry soon or you 
>> could always give it A try
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 12, 2012, at 11:53 AM, "jeff J 
>> Worthington"<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning.
>>> I am looking at getting a tablat that T-mobile has. It has a 
>>> keyboard. My
>> question is will MA work on it? Is it just for phones or tablats as well?
>>> Thanks
>>> Jeff
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:01:45 -0500
>> From: "Virginia Robertson"<[email protected]>
>> Subject: [MA] Mobile Access and HTC Phone Issue 
>> To:<[email protected]> 
>> Message-ID:<[email protected]>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> HI All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope some people can give me input on this matter.  My phone the 
>> HTC Status with MA installed was working fine up until Friday of this
week.
>> Now, when I turn it on MA does come up, but the HTC Mobile screen 
>> Window also pops up.  I took my phone to the ATT Store and a very 
>> knowledgeable person assisted me.  Yes, we check all the MA settings 
>> and made sure that MA is the default home screen, per instructions in 
>> the MA users manual.  We also uninstalled and reinstalled MA.
>> However, we were not able to fix the HTC Sense (the Phone's Operating 
>> System, from also popping up.  Here are my
>> questions:  Has anyone experienced this issue where a software issue 
>> with one application can interfere with MA?  How did you resolve this?
>> I have not had such a thing happen on a cell phone, but have known it 
>> to happen on a computer at work or home.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for a timely response.
>>
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>> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:42:29 GMT
>> From: "Jeff J Worthington"<[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [MA] Mobile Access and HTC Phone Issue
>> To: [email protected]
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> I had this issue too and I will try to explain how to fix it. Go to 
>> apps, then settings, then app settings. You go to manage apps, you 
>> will see something like HTC cence or something like that. What you 
>> need to do is clear defalts. You may need sited help to do this. 
>> After you do this you may get a message saying that the system doesn't
work.
>> Just turn off and on the phone and that should clear it up. I needed 
>> sighted help because for some od reason my HTC phone didn't tell me 
>> where the HTC cence program was but my sighted friende found it in 
>> the
> settings with no problem. Hope this helps.
>> Jeff
>>
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> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 08:30:47 -0400
> From: Greg Wocher <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [MA] MA lite for AT and T
> To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List
>       <[email protected]>
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hello,
> The only options in the accessibility settings Ihave is for 
> accessibility, talkback, kickback, and soundback.  There is no MA 
> checkbox that the person I had helping me could see.  Also, now that I 
> have MA lite installed, talkback does not work for some reason.
> Thanks,
> Greg W.
>
> On 5/14/2012 8:08 AM, David Rolon wrote:
>> Yes MA does speak outside of it's apps just make shore in settings
> accissability that both MA and accissability are both checked also if 
> you have A select or enter key besides the 1 to answer the phone press 
> 1 of those when the phone starts to ring and it should stop the ringer 
> and tell you the name or number of the person that is calling hope 
> that works good luck
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 14, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Greg Wocher<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> I just recently purchased a Samsung Captivate Glide and installed MA 
>>> lite
> on it.  Does MA lite work outside its suite of apps?  Also, how do I 
> get the caller ID to talk?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Greg W.
>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 08:36:42 -0400
> From: "Pedro M." <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [MA] MA lite for AT and T
> To: "Mobile Accessibility Android Users List"
>       <[email protected]>
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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> M.A. lite, does not work outside of the 10 suite of apps.
> you would need to use itt with, talk back or speal.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Wocher
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 7:47 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [MA] MA lite for AT and T
>
> Hello all,
> I just recently purchased a Samsung Captivate Glide and installed MA 
> lite on it.  Does MA lite work outside its suite of apps?  Also, how 
> do I get the caller ID to talk?
> Thanks,
> Greg W.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 08:41:17 -0400
> From: "Pedro M." <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [MA] MA lite for AT and T
> To: "Mobile Accessibility Android Users List"
>       <[email protected]>
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>       reply-type=response
>
> also to have your caller ID, read out the name or number to you, just 
> do the
>
> following.
> once the phone is ringing, double or triple tap on the screen and the 
> ringing would stop, and the caller id would read out, name or number.
> if you have a phisical qwerty keyboard, you can also hit your enter 
> key and it would do as previously mentioned.
> HTH.
> good luck.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Wocher
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 7:47 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [MA] MA lite for AT and T
>
> Hello all,
> I just recently purchased a Samsung Captivate Glide and installed MA 
> lite on it.  Does MA lite work outside its suite of apps?  Also, how 
> do I get the caller ID to talk?
> Thanks,
> Greg W.
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 08:50:47 -0400
> From: "Alphonso McFadden" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [MA] MA lite for AT and T
> To: "Mobile Accessibility Android Users List"
>       <[email protected]>
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>       reply-type=response
>
> This is not working for me! I am using the Samsung transform with 
> wireless accessibility.
>
> Al
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pedro M." <[email protected]>
> To: "Mobile Accessibility Android Users List" 
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 8:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [MA] MA lite for AT and T
>
>
>> also to have your caller ID, read out the name or number to you, just 
>> do the following.
>> once the phone is ringing, double or triple tap on the screen and the 
>> ringing would stop, and the caller id would read out, name or number.
>> if you have a phisical qwerty keyboard, you can also hit your enter 
>> key and it would do as previously mentioned.
>> HTH.
>> good luck.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Greg Wocher
>> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 7:47 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: [MA] MA lite for AT and T
>>
>> Hello all,
>> I just recently purchased a Samsung Captivate Glide and installed MA 
>> lite on it.  Does MA lite work outside its suite of apps?  Also, how 
>> do I get the caller ID to talk?
>> Thanks,
>> Greg W.
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