It's just like your computer at home, you know?  JAWS and I would imagine
Window Eyes and software used by MAC users is not totally perfect, but we
have to keep trying to make noise and get improvements made at the same
time.  We also have to be glad there is something out there.  What I am
waiting for now, is for Dish to come up with a solution for using my hopper
and Joey remotes to access the screen, similar to what JAWS or MA use to
help us navigate the screen.  It does stink that we have to pay for MA and
so much for JAWS, but what are we going to do?

I am so grateful to this list and hope it continues.  The thing I find
frustrating is that all the Mobile carriers seem to be ditching qwirty
keyboards for touch screen.  Yall that have the total touch screens amaze
me.  I wish I had your talents and could maneuver a touch screen.  I'm kind
of scared when it comes time to upgrade next March because I worry I will
constantly tap the wrong thing on an Android Touch Screen or Iphone.


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   1. Re: Braille support goes Android with Mobile Accessibility
      (Sharif Jones)


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Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:38:23 -0400
From: Sharif Jones <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MA] Braille support goes Android with Mobile
        Accessibility
To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List
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While I understand ware that makes sense, I can also understan those that u
say are complaining.   U may be right when u say at least cf is trying.
However when u. Have google improve a screen reader that they aren't
getting paid for verses a company who is not improving there's and they do
get paid, it makes u wonder.  In adition, how can a company improve if no
one says anything complaining or not.
On May 24, 2012 2:32 PM, "Courtney Tater" <[email protected]> wrote:

> **
> Yes, you would pair a supported braille device through bluetooth.
>
> ***MOBILE
> Courtney Tater
>
> Danielle <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Would u do it through bluetooth?
>>
>> Courtney Tater <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> You would first pair it with your phone then go to ma settings / braille
>>> settings and select the apex from the braille device models screen.
>>>
>>> ***MOBILE
>>> Courtney Tater
>>>
>>> Danielle <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How would u set up the apex to use the braille display?
>>>>
>>>> Courtney Tater <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The refreshavraille is not yet supported. The only braillenote product
>>>>> supported is the Apex.
>>>>>
>>>>> ***MOBILE
>>>>> Courtney Tater
>>>>>
>>>>> Danielle <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With the braille support option, will it work with a refreshabraille
>>>>>> or braillenote? I have both and want to try It out!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mobeen Iqbal <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wrote them about a month or 2 ago detailing bugs  i'd found, it
>>>>>>> looks like none of them have been resolved. its a real shame as
others were
>>>>>>> requesting the same features. The only time i got a response was
when i
>>>>>>> wrote them directly, are we then to assume they don't read this
list?
>>>>>>> braille is invaluable but unaffordable for the masses as you said.
anyway
>>>>>>> no point ranting on here any further, better go open a support
ticket.
>>>>>>> reminds me of the anti climax when the iPhone 4S came a long... they
may
>>>>>>> have released because they'd been promising a release for a while.
>>>>>>> personally i wouldn't have gone ahead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24/05/2012 17:09, Sharif Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is something I emailed cf this morning about.  More features.
>>>>>>> When reading about updates, the only thing it said was braille
support.
>>>>>>> while that is ok and all, a lot of people will not benifit from that
cause
>>>>>>> braille devices are higher than they need to be and people just
don't have
>>>>>>> monies to spend on that sort of thing.  Well, some don't anyway.
Along
>>>>>>> with righting on this list, I also incurrage u all to actually email
cf
>>>>>>> directly.  It may get some ware and it may not but at least u tried.
>>>>>>> On May 24, 2012 11:54 AM, "Mobeen Iqbal" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  You took the words out of my mouth. The last i heard, contacts
>>>>>>>> were still being synced with google weather you liked it or not and
it
>>>>>>>> still wasn't possible to send an sms over 3 lines long. not to
mention bugs
>>>>>>>> with email i.e not moving messages to the bin. If braille is the
only item
>>>>>>>> that's been added for support just because the iPhone had it first,
then
>>>>>>>> its quite disappointing. don't get me wrong, braille is a priority
but
>>>>>>>> don't be like freedom scientific. adding more features and not
fixing your
>>>>>>>> existing bugs!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24/05/2012 16:10, william lomas wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> any other new features?
>>>>>>>> we have been discussing a lot of issues with ma i believe over the
>>>>>>>> last few months on list
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On 24 May 2012, at 16:02, Swati Sharma wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    [image: Logo Code Factory]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Braille support goes Android with MA*
>>>>>>>>   Braille support goes Android with Mobile Accessibility, just in
>>>>>>>> time for Sight City in Frankfurt Code Factorys Mobile
>>>>>>>> Accessibility: first ever software application that allows the use
of a
>>>>>>>> Braille display on Android!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Terrassa (Barcelona), Spain, May 24th 2012
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After launching Mobile Accessibility in March 2011 and with more
>>>>>>>> than 35.000 downloads worldwide, Code Factory has worked for months
to make
>>>>>>>> Braille display usage possible with the product. Once more, we have
>>>>>>>> listened to our customers and turned their desires into reality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Based on the tremendous response from our customers, we have been
>>>>>>>> more than motivated to keep improving this product and make the
impossible
>>>>>>>> possible: add Braille support for the first time on this platform
says
>>>>>>>> Eduard Sanchez, CEO.  Our ambition is to keep improving our
products and
>>>>>>>> keep up with the constant OS updates and add new features that add
value to
>>>>>>>> our products.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This free upgrade is available for all our customers, whether
>>>>>>>> purchased in Google from one of our distributors, the free download
version
>>>>>>>> of AT&T Mobile Accessibility Lite from AT&T, or Wireless
Accessibility from
>>>>>>>> Sprint, Boost Mobile and Virgin Mobile USA. It includes the
following
>>>>>>>> Braille features:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *a.*    Use the power of a Braille display in the same way as on a
>>>>>>>> computer and similar to what is available with Mobile Speak 4 and
above.
>>>>>>>> *b.*    Enabling a solution for Deaf Blind users to be able to use
>>>>>>>> Android devices for the first time.
>>>>>>>> *c.*    Ability to use various grades, including grade 1 / 2 and
>>>>>>>> computer Braille for both input and output.
>>>>>>>> *d.*    Option to disable speech when Braille is turned on,
>>>>>>>> allowing users to work in silent environments like meetings.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Devices of the following Braille device manufacturers are
>>>>>>>> supported: Baum, Eurobraille, Freedom Scientific, Handytech, HIMS,
>>>>>>>> Humanware and Optelec.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This free update is now available at:
>>>>>>>>
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ck.com/icp/relay.php?r=2125636&msgid=122432&act=69J4&c=1030778&destination=h
ttps%3A%2F%2Fplay.google.com%2Fstore%2Fapps%2Fdeveloper%3Fid%3DCode%2BFactor
y>.
>>>>>>>> For technical assistance, please submit a ticket through our Help
Desk at
>>>>>>>>
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?r=2125636&msgid=122432&act=69J4&c=1030778&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.code
factory.cat%2Fhelpdesk%2F>
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To learn more about Mobile Accessibility, visit the product
>>>>>>>> information page at
>>>>>>>>
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cp/relay.php?r=2125636&msgid=122432&act=69J4&c=1030778&destination=http%3A%2
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>>>>>>>> You can also subscribe to the Mobile Accessibility mailing list at
>>>>>>>>
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lay.php?r=2125636&msgid=122432&act=69J4&c=1030778&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fw
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>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  *For more information, feel free to contact Code Factory S.L.:*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Code Factory, S.L., C/ Major 19, 2-3, 08221 Terrassa (Barcelona)
>>>>>>>>
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22432&act=69J4&c=1030778&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codefactory.cat%2Fhelp
desk%2F>
>>>>>>>> Code Factory, S.L. - 2012
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Regards
>>>>>>>> Support
>>>>>>>> Submit Help Desk Ticket at
>>>>>>>> http://www.codefactory.cat/helpdesk/index.php?a=add
>>>>>>>> Code Factory
>>>>>>>> Making mobile phones and PDAs accessible to the blind and visually
>>>>>>>> impaired.
>>>>>>>> Moving Accessibility Forward!
>>>>>>>> www.codefactory.es
>>>>>>>> Follow us on Twitter at http://twitter.com/codefactory and on our
>>>>>>>> blog at
>>>>>>>> http://codefactoryblog.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>> To learn more about Mobile Speak 4 visit
>>>>>>>> http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=318
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