Nothing here is as simular to voice over except using talkback in
Jelly bean.  I would avoid HTC phone's like a plaig because some of
the stuff they skin android over with "HTC sense" brake accessibility.
 Samsung does do a skin over-lay but the touch wiz is accessible after
4.0 ICS.  I have the galaxy sIII and use many apps with it.  Yelp is
acessible, skype is accessible but a few buttons are unlabeled and
many more see http://www.androidaccess.net
 for accessible apps.  The android is not like the Iphone because its
a different OS and its for the most part an Open platform unlike IOS
which is a closed one.

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> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 03:24:39 -0700
> From: Gary Steeves <[email protected]>
> Subject: [MA] new member with questions
> To: [email protected]
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> hello Everyone:
>
> I'm sure there are some of you on here that I've met before on the
> mobile speak and mobile geo lists in the past.
>
> My windows mobile phone is starting to have some issues and my
> girlfriend has offered me a new phone for my birthday. I'm trying to
> decide between and i phone and an android phone. I'm hoping that
> people here will be able to answer some of my questions so i can
> compare with a more educated perspective.
>
> So first, from reading on the web site, it seems that to use MAa on
> an android phone the phone must have a track ball or track pad.  is
> this the case still? It doesn't look like phones using version 4 of
> android seem to have such things and I do not want to buy a new phone
> that has anything less than a  mp camera since I believe this is the
> cut off point for the possibility of doing OCR once there are apps
> for such things.
>
> Secondly, what is the accessibility like with regards to using apps?
> I fear it will be like the days of win mo where there were lots of
> apps but most didn't work with mobile speak.
>
> Can anyone give me a list of pros and cons to android and MA? Feel
> free to do this off list if you like.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Gary
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 06:29:51 -0400
> From: "Jim Ellis" <[email protected]>
> Subject: RE: [MA] Motorola's has decided to cut three handsets from
>       the     impending Ice Cream Sandwich operating system upgrade.
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> Hi,
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> Does anyone know if the droid 2 will be updated?
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> Jim
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 09:42 AM
> To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List
> Subject: [MA] Motorola's has decided to cut three handsets from the
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> hello, everyone:
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> this article was sent to me, and I thought many of you may want to check it
> out, if you own, or are thinking about owning a Motorola android phone.
>
>   According to a post on Motorola's forums, the company has decided to cut
> three handsets from the impending Ice Cream Sandwich operating system
> upgrade.
>
> the Motorola Atrix 4G, Photon 4G, and Electrify would not receive the ICS
> upgrade, but would "continue to be supported with maintenance releases to
> ensure optimum performance for the consumer."
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> read full artical here:
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> Hi Gary
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> If you are getting an android phone that is running 4.0 or higher then you
> won't need to use MA and you won't need to worry about a trackball or
> trackpad as there's what you call explore by touch.  You can however have a
> phone that has a qwerty keyboard if you prefer.
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> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 10:31:18 -0400
> From: Mike Arrigo <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [MA] new member with questions
> To: [email protected]
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> The mobile accessibility instructions are fairly outdated. If you get a
> phone with android 4.0 or newer, a physical navigation control is not
> needed, and, even mobile accessibility itself will have limited use
> since the touch screen is accessible, as well as the android apps and
> the built in web browser. What carrier are you looking at, or, better
> yet, you might consider an unlocked phone such as the galaxy nexus.
> Original message:
>> hello Everyone:
>
>> I'm sure there are some of you on here that I've met before on the
>> mobile speak and mobile geo lists in the past.
>
>> My windows mobile phone is starting to have some issues and my
>> girlfriend has offered me a new phone for my birthday. I'm trying to
>> decide between and i phone and an android phone. I'm hoping that
>> people here will be able to answer some of my questions so i can
>> compare with a more educated perspective.
>
>> So first, from reading on the web site, it seems that to use MAa on
>> an android phone the phone must have a track ball or track pad.  is
>> this the case still? It doesn't look like phones using version 4 of
>> android seem to have such things and I do not want to buy a new phone
>> that has anything less than a  mp camera since I believe this is the
>> cut off point for the possibility of doing OCR once there are apps
>> for such things.
>
>> Secondly, what is the accessibility like with regards to using apps?
>> I fear it will be like the days of win mo where there were lots of
>> apps but most didn't work with mobile speak.
>
>> Can anyone give me a list of pros and cons to android and MA? Feel
>> free to do this off list if you like.
>
>> Thanks.
>
>> Gary
>
>
>> Gary Steeves BSW RSW
>> 319 - 700 Park Crescent
>> New Westminster, BC
>> V5L 5T9
>> Cell: 604-764-0777
>> Work: 778-452-6504
>> Skype: gary.steeves1
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 07:46:32 -0700
> From: Gary Steeves <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [MA] new member with questions
> To: Mobile Accessibility Android Users List
>       <[email protected]>
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
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> Hello mike:
>
> thanks for your email. The two phones that would interest me would be
> the galaxy s3 or the htc x1 (I think that is what it is called).
>   My provider is Rogers in Canada. If an unlocked phone is affordable
> i would consider that.
>
> So does the accessibility of these phones work similarly to voice
> over on the iphone?
>
>
> Gary
>
> At 07:31 AM 10/4/2012, you wrote:
>>The mobile accessibility instructions are fairly outdated. If you
>>get a phone with android 4.0 or newer, a physical navigation control
>>is not needed, and, even mobile accessibility itself will have
>>limited use since the touch screen is accessible, as well as the
>>android apps and the built in web browser. What carrier are you
>>looking at, or, better yet, you might consider an unlocked phone
>>such as the galaxy nexus.
>>Original message:
>>>hello Everyone:
>>
>>>I'm sure there are some of you on here that I've met before on the
>>>mobile speak and mobile geo lists in the past.
>>
>>>My windows mobile phone is starting to have some issues and my
>>>girlfriend has offered me a new phone for my birthday. I'm trying to
>>>decide between and i phone and an android phone. I'm hoping that
>>>people here will be able to answer some of my questions so i can
>>>compare with a more educated perspective.
>>
>>>So first, from reading on the web site, it seems that to use MAa on
>>>an android phone the phone must have a track ball or track pad.  is
>>>this the case still? It doesn't look like phones using version 4 of
>>>android seem to have such things and I do not want to buy a new phone
>>>that has anything less than a  mp camera since I believe this is the
>>>cut off point for the possibility of doing OCR once there are apps
>>>for such things.
>>
>>>Secondly, what is the accessibility like with regards to using apps?
>>>I fear it will be like the days of win mo where there were lots of
>>>apps but most didn't work with mobile speak.
>>
>>>Can anyone give me a list of pros and cons to android and MA? Feel
>>>free to do this off list if you like.
>>
>>>Thanks.
>>
>>>Gary
>>
>>
>>>Gary Steeves BSW RSW
>>>319 - 700 Park Crescent
>>>New Westminster, BC
>>>V5L 5T9
>>>Cell: 604-764-0777
>>>Work: 778-452-6504
>>>Skype: gary.steeves1
>>
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