Hahahaha...
Actually I had few bad experiences too but again it's not the religion itself
(even though I got mad at that time but I could handle that); anyway, Buddha's
teaching still and always good for me. Once again, that's about an "oknum" and
these kind of bad situation could happend in every religion. The fact is that
I'm still and always a Buddhist.
I don't understand what do you mean by:
"even as buddhist theory we can't get mad but that's a ussual human reaction)
but the "not normal" things for me is an oknum .
I really wonder, why it's the opposite ???"
It sounds confusing. Well, anyway.. doesn't matter.
Of course I would not support that kind of person too.
Alright??!
Metta,
Lim
srikandi srikandi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"""Well, anyway, the more you understand about Buddhist, the more you
could accept any moment (bad or good)..."""
Well anyway everybody will easily to say that when it not happen to themselves
accept bad & good when nothing really bad happens to his self
when everything is going to be alright
but when the really bad things happen to themselves I guess it won't be so easy
as you thought, and ussualy that's a normal human reaction, everybody does.
that's normal for me (even as buddhist theory we can't get mad but that's a
ussual human reaction)
but the "not normal" things for me is an oknum .
I really wonder, why it's the opposite ???
I just don't want pretend myself that nothing happen or downplay someone when
it not comes to me.
cause I know if happen to me it will be the same
and I believe many people will do the same
Anyway, it won't happen to me because I always observe and stay away and
hopefuly will not support an oknum .
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Digest Number 882
From: "Erick Liem" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2. Re: MENGAPA BANYAK VIHARA THERAVADA JUGA KENA GEMPA YOGYA
From: "Yoe Chandra" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3. Re: MENGAPA BANYAK VIHARA THERAVADA JUGA KENA GEMPA YOGYA
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Date: Sat Jun 3, 2006 2:13 am (PDT)
From: "Erick Liem" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Digest Number 882
Bukan dlm agama Buddha, i think maksudnya di semua agama juga bakalan sama.
Kalo disebut oknum.. it means itu balik ke pribadi-nya masing2.. is not related
with the religion itself, does it make sense for you??
Well, it's up to you. It's related to your karma, so kalo mmg lu ngerasa ngga
cocok lagi dgn Buddhist because of this problem.. that's fine...
But I just remind you that it is not related with the religion itself. But yes,
I agree we need to find a good figure to be the leader, especially in Buddhist
We should put more attention to this matter...
I feel so sorry to hear that moment... I know that's really bad... So,
hopefully it would never happend again in the future
Well, anyway, the more you understand about Buddhist, the more you could accept
any moment (bad or good)...
Semoga penjelasan saya bisa membantu meredakan perasaan benci/marah-mu...
With metta,
Lim
srikandi srikandi wrote:
kalau tindakan oknum & pemukulan dan lain -lain sudah dianggap biasa didalam
agama Buddha , lalu yang luar biasa itu apa ?
sesuatu dimulai dengan hal yang kecil dan berlarut-larut tahun demi tahun
menjadi kegelapan batin yg besar dan hanya memperburuk nusa dan bangsa saja
makanya banyak bencana alam dimana-mana.
Kalau semuanya berpangku tangan dan menganggap itu adalah hal biasa
didalam agama Buddha yg terkenal dengan agama peace, lama kelamaan citranya
bisa berubah, mencatat sejarah buruk bagi agama Buddha itu sendiri
Mungkin masing2 harus mendoakan agama Buddha di Indonesia agar bisa
mempraktekkan ajaran kasih Buddha
anyway, tolong berhati2 dan saling menjaga & bersatu sama lain agar tidak ada
pemukulan2 lagi, makanya jangan salah memilih oknum ditaruh di posisi atas,
saudara-saudari kita akan menderita akibat salah memilih anda-anda sekalian.
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"Saya memang sekarang menemukan begitu banyak
ketidak sesuaian dalam prilaku para pemuka agama,
namun bagi saya, hal itu adalah biasa"
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: [MB] KOLOM AGAMA PADA KTP VERSI BARU
From: "sutedja tj" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2. Re: Digest Number 880
From: "Luis Tirtasanjaya Lioe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3. Re: anak-anak buddha di Singapore?
From: "Luis Tirtasanjaya Lioe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
4. Re: anak-anak buddha di Singapore?
From: "Juliana" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message 1
From: "sutedja tj" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon May 29, 2006 0:35am(PDT)
Subject: Re: [MB] KOLOM AGAMA PADA KTP VERSI BARU
Sdr. Lo Willy,
Menurut saya, mungkin Sdr. Lo Willy kecewa dengan
"Oknum" Buddhis yang dianggap dapat mewakili
sifat dan tindak tanduk seorang Buddhis.
Dan ternyata karena tidak sesuai, maka kecewa berat
yang didapat.
Namun hal ini mungkin jangan dijadikan satu kesimpulan
bahwa Agama Buddha yang jelek. Yang harus disayangkan
adalah "Oknum" tersebut.
Bukankah Sdr. Lo Willy demikian bahagia saat dapat
mempelajari Agama Buddha? Hal ini sudah membuktikan
bahwa Agama Buddha membawa sesuatu yang bermanfaat
bagi kita semua.
Jangan karena tindakan "Oknum" tsb lalu kita
menyalahkan agama Buddha itu sendiri.
Saya memang sekarang menemukan begitu banyak
ketidak sesuaian dalam prilaku para pemuka agama,
namun bagi saya, hal itu adalah biasa.
Yang namanya manusia tetap mudah dipengaruhi oleh
sifat-sifat jelek manusia itu sendiri.
Selama masih ada panduan Dhamma dalam Tipitaka
sebagai bahan acuan, dan bila memberikan manfaat
bagi kita, jalani lah, jangan ditolak.
Bila menolak, yang rugi bukan "Oknum" Buddhis tsb,
bukan orang lain. Mereka mah tidak perduli, kalau
Sdr. Lo Willy tetap menjadi Buddhis atau tidak,
yang penting politik atau tujuan jelek mereka
tercapai.
Itu saja.
Nah, sekarang yang rugi siapa kalau menolak Buddha
Dhamma? Bukan lain tapi diri kita sendiri.
Saya melihat Buddha Dhamma sangat-sangat bermanfaat
bagi diri saya dan bila saya terapkan dengan baik,
juga memberikan manfaat bagi orang-orang sekitar saya.
Hal ini sangat membuat saya berbahagia.
Semoga Sdr. Lo Willy selalu berbahagia,
Sutedja Tjandra.
--- Lo Willy wrote:
> Sdr. Sutedja, salam sejahtera;
> Anda begitu gembira dengan kolom agama dimana kata
> agama "BUDDHA" telah
> ditulis dengan benar menururt kosakata sebagaimana
> seharusnya. sebaliknya
> saya sedang susah hati karena sebentar lagi masa
> laku KTP saya akan
> berakhir dan sudah sejak lama saya sangat bingung
> mau menulis apa dalam
> kolom agama tersebut. Saya lebih senang dan bahagia
> bila kolom agama itu
> dihapus saja dan paling celaka ketika saya tidak
> ingin memeluk agama apapun
> saya diharuskan memilih salah satu agama yang diakui
> resmi oleh Pemerintah
> kita. Dulu ketika saya memutuskan memilih agama
> Buddha - menurut pendapat
> dan pandanganku - karena agama tersebut paling baik
> diantara agama-agama
> yang ada di Indonesia tapi apa yang saya alami
> justru hidupku hampir celaka
> berantakan gara-gara Agama Buddha - hanya gara2
> memberi makan kepada 2 orang
> Bhikkhu - lantas agama apalagi yang cocok bagi saya
> ? Memilih yang lain lagi
> ? Dulu sudah pilih yang terbaik, yaitu agama Buddha
> ????? Kalau yang terbaik
> saja pakai pukul dan kekerasan (terjadi didalam
> rumah salah seorang tokoh
> Umat Buddha dan disaksikan oleh sebagaian Umat
> lainnya, menekan dengan
> menggunakan preman dan Intel) sudah begini, lantas
> yang tidak terbaik
> seperti apa ????
> Kalau anda ingin menulis dan mengulas serta mengupas
> "METTA & KARUNA" sambil
> berjalan kaki mengelilingi dunia kemudian hasil
> tulisan itu dapat menutupi
> seluruh permukaan bumi ini itupun belum selesai
> pembahasannya. Anda harus
> berjalan pula kebagian dunia lainnya sambil menanti
> kedatangan Buddha Baru
> utk mengakhiri tulisan tersebut dan Beliau akan
> menyelesaikannya dengan 3
> kata saja, yaitu : "SADHU ... SADHU ... SADHU ....
> !!!!
> Demikianlah dahsyat dan sangat dalam serta luas arti
> dari "METTA & KARUNA".
> Tapi di Bali hanya di ulas dan dibahas cukup dalam
> beberapa menit saja dan
> semua orang tahu bahwa "METTA & KARUNA" itu hanya
> ada didalam buku "PARITTA
> SUCI" berwarna biru yang diterbitkan oleh Yayasan
> Dhammadipa Arama atau STI.
> Tidak lebih dari itu. Semoga dalam beberapa hari
> kedepan muncul sebuah agama
> baru sehingga saya dapat memilih dan mencobanya
> sehingga saya tidak
> kesulitan ketika perpanjangan KTP pada bulan
> September nanti.
>
> Salam dan hormat,
> lowilly
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Message 2
From: "Luis Tirtasanjaya Lioe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon May 29, 2006 2:02am(PDT)
Subject: Re: Digest Number 880
Hehe, kita gak punya alamat tetap atau sekretariat, karena komunitas
ini dibentuk (udah 3 tahun ya Ron?) lewat mailing list
:)
link nya: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IBC-Sing/
Mungkin buat temen2 di Singapore bisa join ke mailing list nya.
Sebagian besar dari kita sih ikut kebaktian di Buddhist Fellowship,
tapi biasanya kalau ada event2 besar seperti hari2 besar agama
Buddha, Dhamma talk, Buddhist fair etc, kita organise untuk pergi
bareng :) ada outing bareng juga hehe.
Mettacittena,
Luis
--- In [email protected], "Intra" wrote:
>
> Wah senang sekali mendengar sudah ada komunitas anak-anak Buddhist
Indonesia
> di Singapore.
> Tolong donk minta alamatnya yach karena saya ingin memberitahu
beberapa
> rekan-rekan Buddhist disana.
> Thanks.
>
> Mettacittena,
> Chang Le
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Message 3
From: "Luis Tirtasanjaya Lioe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon May 29, 2006 2:04am(PDT)
Subject: Re: anak-anak buddha di Singapore?
Halo Andi, ini detail acaranya terlampir ya. Kalau berminat ikut,
bisa kontak saya di 96673150, kita rencananya pergi bareng dan
kumpul di Bishan MRT hari selasa (29 May) dan rabu (30 May) jam 6:30
sharp :) talk nya jam 7:45 pm.
Buddhist Fellowship wrote:
From: "Buddhist Fellowship"
To: "Buddhist Fellowship"
Subject: Ajahn Brahm's Public Talks: May30&31
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:28:44 +0800
Dear members,
You, your family and friends are invited to Buddhist Fellowship's
AJAHN BRAHM PUBLIC TALKS . . .
MANAGING THE UPs AND DOWNs OF LIFE
We can cope with the Ups in life wonderfully but when things start
to go wrong . . . we tend to find it all too difficult to accept,
may that be when our relationships are going wrong, our career or
status in society is threatened, our body succumbing to illnesses or
losing someone to death. Ajahn Brahm will offer insights to life and
how to best cope with these ups and downs
Date: Tuesday, 30 May 2006 at 7:45pm
ENLIGHTENMENT - THE FINAL GOAL
What is the Enlightenment that Prince Siddhartha attained to become
the Buddha? There are many versions of what "Nibbana" is but which
is the right one? Come and find outâ¦
Date: Wednesday, 31 May 2006 at 7:45pm
Venue: Kong Meng San Phor Kark See Monaster Memorial Hall Level 4
88 Bright Hill Road
Admission: FREE (ALL are welcome)
ABOUT AJAHN BRAHM
Born in London, Ajahn Brahm completed his degree in Theoretical
Physics at Cambridge University. After teaching for a year, he
travelled to Thailand and ordained as a monk at the age of twenty-
three.
Thereafter, Ajahn Brahm began his training in the Thai forest
tradition under Ajahn Chah. He is presently the Abbot of Bodhinyana
Monastery and the Spiritual Director of the Buddhist Society of
Western Australia.
Ajahn Brahm has gathered many stories through his encounters with
the lay people and his experience in building a monastery from
scratch. These heartwarming stories reveal the qualities of humility
and diligence and expose moments of insight, wisdom and compassion
in the lives of ordinary people.
His book "Opening the Door of Your Heart" which has captured the
hearts of many, encapsulates modern tales of hope and love,
forgiveness, freedom from fear and overcoming pain, and shows how
the timeless wisdom of the Buddha's teachings remain so relevant in
our ever-changing world.
With metta
Buddhist Fellowship
--- In [email protected], "rhw76" wrote:
>
> Halo Andi,
>
> Kebetulan hari Selasa ama Rabu malem ada Dhamma talknya Ajahn
Brahm di
> Kong Meng San. Biasanya cukup segar dan enlightening. Udah diatur
buat
> pegi rame2 oleh Pak RT kita, Luis. Silakan ikutan :)
>
>
> Roni
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Message 4
From: "Juliana" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon May 29, 2006 2:38am(PDT)
Subject: Re: anak-anak buddha di Singapore?
lulu... tanggalan sg ama jkt masih sama kan? tgl 29 mei 2006 hari senin, tgl
30 hari selasa?
maksudnya tgl 30 selasa, tgl 31 rabu kali yaa...
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From: "Luis Tirtasanjaya Lioe"
To:
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 4:03 PM
Subject: [MABINDO] Re: anak-anak buddha di Singapore?
Halo Andi, ini detail acaranya terlampir ya. Kalau berminat ikut,
bisa kontak saya di 96673150, kita rencananya pergi bareng dan
kumpul di Bishan MRT hari selasa (29 May) dan rabu (30 May) jam 6:30
sharp :) talk nya jam 7:45 pm.
Buddhist Fellowship wrote:
From: "Buddhist Fellowship"
To: "Buddhist Fellowship"
Subject: Ajahn Brahm's Public Talks: May30&31
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:28:44 +0800
Dear members,
You, your family and friends are invited to Buddhist Fellowship's
AJAHN BRAHM PUBLIC TALKS . . .
MANAGING THE UPs AND DOWNs OF LIFE
We can cope with the Ups in life wonderfully but when things start
to go wrong . . . we tend to find it all too difficult to accept,
may that be when our relationships are going wrong, our career or
status in society is threatened, our body succumbing to illnesses or
losing someone to death. Ajahn Brahm will offer insights to life and
how to best cope with these ups and downs
Date: Tuesday, 30 May 2006 at 7:45pm
ENLIGHTENMENT - THE FINAL GOAL
What is the Enlightenment that Prince Siddhartha attained to become
the Buddha? There are many versions of what "Nibbana" is but which
is the right one? Come and find outâ?¦
Date: Wednesday, 31 May 2006 at 7:45pm
Venue: Kong Meng San Phor Kark See Monaster Memorial Hall Level 4
88 Bright Hill Road
Admission: FREE (ALL are welcome)
ABOUT AJAHN BRAHM
Born in London, Ajahn Brahm completed his degree in Theoretical
Physics at Cambridge University. After teaching for a year, he
travelled to Thailand and ordained as a monk at the age of twenty-
three.
Thereafter, Ajahn Brahm began his training in the Thai forest
tradition under Ajahn Chah. He is presently the Abbot of Bodhinyana
Monastery and the Spiritual Director of the Buddhist Society of
Western Australia.
Ajahn Brahm has gathered many stories through his encounters with
the lay people and his experience in building a monastery from
scratch. These heartwarming stories reveal the qualities of humility
and diligence and expose moments of insight, wisdom and compassion
in the lives of ordinary people.
His book "Opening the Door of Your Heart" which has captured the
hearts of many, encapsulates modern tales of hope and love,
forgiveness, freedom from fear and overcoming pain, and shows how
the timeless wisdom of the Buddha's teachings remain so relevant in
our ever-changing world.
With metta
Buddhist Fellowship
--- In [email protected], "rhw76" wrote:
>
> Halo Andi,
>
> Kebetulan hari Selasa ama Rabu malem ada Dhamma talknya Ajahn
Brahm di
> Kong Meng San. Biasanya cukup segar dan enlightening. Udah diatur
buat
> pegi rame2 oleh Pak RT kita, Luis. Silakan ikutan :)
>
>
> Roni
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Date: Sat Jun 3, 2006 4:13 am (PDT)
From: "Yoe Chandra" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MENGAPA BANYAK VIHARA THERAVADA JUGA KENA GEMPA YOGYA
Mohon di maaf jika pendapat saya sedikit berbeda,
saya merasa aneh saja jika bencana alam dikaitkan dengan benar tidaknya suatu
ajaran yang berkembang di daerah terjadinya bencana.
menurut saya "sama sekali tidak ada hubungannya".
Bencana alam pun bukan merupakan ujian
Bencana alam hanya "kejadian alam yang memang seharusnya terjadi"
tinggal bagaimana kepandaian kita saja "membaca gejala alam" untuk dapat tetap
"bertahan hidup" di bumi ini.
Aneh gak..?
semoga bermanfaat
damai selalu
yoe
Hanafi Tanojo wrote:
Adanya bencana bukan selalu berarti ada kekeliruan.
Bencana bisa merupakan ujian. Orang yang teruji akan
tetap berbahagia dalam melewati bencana.
--- sindhu wahyudi wrote:
> BUDDHA BERKATA,
> MENANAM KEBAJIKAN BERBUAH KEBAHAGIAAN
> MENANAM KEJAHATAN BERBUAH BENCANA
>
> BILAMANA ENGKAU MASIH MENCAPAT BENCANA, ITU ARTINYA
> MASIH ADA KEKELIRUANNYA
>
> TIDAK MUNGKIN ORANG YANG JALAN DAN PERBUATANNYA SUCI
> DAN BAIK DIBIKIN
> SUSAH DAN DIBIKIN MATI, TENTU MALAH DILINDUNGI
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Date: Sat Jun 3, 2006 4:40 am (PDT)
From: "Yoe Chandra" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MENGAPA BANYAK VIHARA THERAVADA JUGA KENA GEMPA YOGYA
Rekan sindhu,
ijinkan saya bertanya atas kalimat yang anda tulis,
kalimat yang mana yang merupakan perkataan Buddha ?
apakah keseluruhan kalimat ?
jika benar seluruh kalimat ini adalah perkataan Buddha, Buddha yang mana?
Buddha Siapa?
Bisa anda menjelaskan dari mana anda mengutip "Perkataan Buddha" ini?
salam
yoe
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MENANAM KEBAJIKAN BERBUAH KEBAHAGIAAN
MENANAM KEJAHATAN BERBUAH BENCANA
BILAMANA ENGKAU MASIH MENCAPAT BENCANA, ITU ARTINYA MASIH ADA KEKELIRUANNYA
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