Hello David, I'll just comment briefly on a few of your points. First of all, to open a bookmarked location from the "Show all Bookmarks" option under the "Bookmarks" menu of Safari (accessed with Command-Option-B as in "bravo"), you simply navigate to the bookmark and press space bar to be taken to the bookmarked web page. There is no need to bring up the context menu with VO-Shift-M. Secondly, you can organize your folders either in the table of collections or in the table corresponding to your selected collection. Pressing (VO-Space) the button for "New Collection" at the base of the collections table will create a new folder under the table of collections. Using the Command-Shift-N shortcut is another way of creating a folder here. If you press (VO-Space) the button for "New Folder" at the base of the table for your selected collection, you will create new folders within that table, which may be what you are trying to do. However, in the context of using the Command-Shift-N (as in "November") shortcut to create new folders, you can do this provided you first select/highlight an entry in that second table. In that case using the Command-Shift-N shortcut for new folders will create the folder immediately after your selected entry. If you have selected/highlighted a folder, then using the Command-Shift-N (for "November") shortcut will create a subfolder. If you have not selected a bookmark entry in this second table, then the only way you can create a folder is by pressing the "New Folder" button on this page. The new folder will be created at the end of your table in this instance. Also, if you select/highlight a bookmark entry and then navigate to the "New Folder" button and press it with VO-Space or with the Up and Down arrow key if you are using QuickNav, then a new folder will also be created after your highlighted bookmark. It is obviously easier just to use the Command-Shift-N (for "November") shortcut than to navigate to the "New Folder" button outside of the table and press it.
The key here is that if you do not first highlight an entry in the second table, which contains the bookmarks (or folders) of your selected collection, then any time you press Command-Shift-N to create a folder, you will be creating that folder in the Table of collections, and not within your selected table, which I gather you want to be either the "Bookmarks Bar" or the "Bookmarks Menu". You seem to have made more work for yourself, since now you have a series of folders under the Collections Table whose contents you want to move to a specific collection -- for example, the "Bookmarks Menu". I suppose the easiest way to do this would be to select that entry in the "Collections" table. Then, if you had five folders you wanted to move into the "Bookmarks Menu" table, for example, navigate to the "New Folder" button and press it five times. That would add five untitled folders to your table of "Bookmarks Menu" bookmarks that you could then rename. You'd have to copy the contents of each collection folder and paste them into the correspondingly named folder in the "Bookmarks Menu" table. This would involve expanding the empty folder with VO-backslash so that instead VoiceOver announcing "collapsed level 0" when you have selected the folder it will say "expanded". Then you would navigate to select the folder to be copied in the Collections table, and move to its corresponding table of bookmarks. You can jump to that associated table with VO-Command-T (as in "tango"). Then you would have to interact (VO-Shift-Down arrow) and click in the table (e.g VO-Shift-Space), and do a select all (Command-A as in "alpha") and copy with Command-C as in "Charlie"). Use VO-Command-T (as in "tango") to jump back to the table of collections (or else tab to move there), and select your "Bookmarks Menu" as the collection. Jump back to the table associated with the Bookmarks Menu with VO-Command-T, interact, and move to the expanded folder then do your paste with Command-V as in "Victor". Collapse the folder with VO-backslash, and move to the next empty folder and expand it with VO-Backslash. Then repeat the process of copying and pasting. It sounds as though you want to put all bookmarks and folders into a single collection. The first one you can use is the "Bookmarks Bar". I generally separate my bookmarks so that the "Bookmarks Bar" only contains my top used bookmarks, and not folders. The reason is that the first 9 bookmarks can be opened with the shortcut of Command+the number of the bookmark in the "Bookmarks Bar". So Command+1 activates the first bookmark on the "Bookmarks Bar", Command+2 activates the second bookmark on the "Bookmarks Bar", etc. This is not true for any other Bookmark collection. It allows me to use java bookmarklets that act on the contents of the page -- for example, translating them. A low vision user could activate a bookmarklet to enlarge the font size of the text. I keep these bookmarklets on the Bookmarks Bar, and I put my folders into the Bookmarks Menu. Of course, you can organize your bookmarks in any way you choose. Finally, there is a nice freeware program that will alphabetically sort your Safari bookmarks, folders, and sub-folder with one click. It is called SafariSort, and is supposed to be Lion compatible, as well. You can find it at the MacUpdate site by Googling the name, which is a single word, along with "MacUpdate", which is also a single word: http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/34101/safarisort If you want to take the precaution of keeping a copy of your Safari Bookmarks before you make any of these changes, your bookmarks are stored under your account in a "Bookmarks.plist" file: ~/Library/Safari/Bookmarks.plist You can either copy this to another location, or use the context menu for this file in Finder (VO-Shift-M as in "Mike") and select the option "Compress 'Bookmarks.plist'". This will create a zipped copy of the file that you can leave in place or move to another location. Remember, to open a bookmark, all you need to do is find it in the table of bookmarks and press the space bar. Hope this helps. Cheers, Esther On Sep 12, 2011, at 19:56, David Griffith wrote: > Ok > > Here is where I have got to with managing bookmark folders on the Mac with > Safari. I have not yet cracked getting the folders to appear in he actual > bookmark menu but apparently this is possible. The instructions > for sighted users do not appear to work with Voiceover though. > > However this works for me and apparently others find > Safari bookmark organisation unintuitive so here is what is working for me > so far. If anybody has better suggestions then please make them. > > Step 1. > Create your bookmark folders. > The easiest way to do this I have found is to simply press shift command N. > You will get a untitled folder dialogue. simply press return to edit this > into something more meaningful. > Step 2 > Having created your bookmark folder navigate to the page you want to add to > the bookmark folder. > Press command D for delta to add bookmark. > Now press shift tab until you here a bookmark folder > pop up button. > VO space to open this up and locate the folder you have created . Select > this and then tab forward until you hear add bookmark button. > > You will now have a bookmark in a bookmark folder. > Step 3 > To access your bookmark folders and bookmarks do the following llowing. > Press option command B for bookmark. > Voiceover will say navigation frame. > Press shift tab and you will be on your list of bookmark folders which you > can voiceover up and down to select which one you want. Once you are on on > the bookmark folder you press tab twice. The first tab press will land you > on search and the second press will land you on the list of bookmarks in the > folder you have just selected. You then have to bring up the Vo context > menu to select open the bookmark will open. VO Space only appears to allow > editing of the bookmark name. > > This is a slightly convoluted method of organising and accessing > bookmarks into folders but it works. . > It is a little clunky as a method as what we are doing is accessing bookmark > folders using the organisation interface. > The element which is missing is the ability to transfer these created > bookmark folders onto the main bookmark menu where they can be open as sub > menus which would be more smooth. This is possible but when I try to follow > the instructions for sighted users Voiceover says location may be hidden > when I try to drop the folder into the main bookmark menu folder. So if > anybody knows how to crack this final step I would be very grateful to hear. > If this is confirmed as an issue then perhaps Apple should be > > contacted > David Griffith > [email protected] > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to [email protected] You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> or at the public Mail Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/>. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/>
