Hi!

I tend to agree with this. I've met very few employees who know about 
VoiceOver, but those who have have been knowledgeable in that area. I've 
watched Youtube videos where people deliberately go out of their way to display 
"accessibility" on iOS, and when VoiceOver is on they refer to the gestures as 
"messed up" and "useless" simply because they lack the ability to understand 
them, or even read a user manual. Amusingly enough, he tried to scroll on the 
screen using the sighted scrolling gesture even though his iPhone told him how 
to scroll using VoiceOver.

Given the title, sighted users attempting to demonstrate an accessibility tool 
like VoiceOver gives people a bad impression of it, regardless of their 
disability. This is particularly true if they don't know how to properly use 
it. The video in question has had comments like "OH god I couldn't figure out 
how to turn it of thx!" which again makes the user manuals readily available to 
any user useless, simply because people panic instead of thinking rationally.

Again, reviews like these are horrible because it gives the tool in question a 
very bad reputation, and regardless of how in-depth the video happens to me it 
always has an impact. That's definitely the case particularly if the user has 
posted trustworthy information in the past. Of course, sending in a comment 
yields a single word as a reply, that being "SUBSCRIBE!" without addressing the 
problem.

This discussion could go on, though.

Regards,
Nicolai
On Oct 26, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

> And, though it's off topic, I've tried to get the media access group at wgbh 
> to market their dvs videos to sighted folks as well, for exactly those same 
> kinds of reasons.  Watching a movie in the car while going to work? Wow, 
> helping adhd kids concentrate on what's going on? check, helping folks keep 
> track of the action while they're away from the set? yep.
> There's all kinds of things sighted folks could find to do with such a thing, 
> but for whatever reason, they just don't seem interested. <shrug>
> I suspect vo will be similar.  Sure apple mentions it in their marketing 
> material, but how many sighted folks do you know that actually use it?
> I've seen posts on other apple lists where folks accidentally turned it on, 
> and didn't know how to turn it off, and trust me, they weren't happy the 
> computer was talking.
> It's all about education, and I honestly think apple has tried, but most of 
> the apple stores I've been in don't even know about vo, and those that do 
> haven't a clue how full featured it actually is.
> That's a real shame, all sorts of folks could benefit from it's use, but too 
> many just don't ever find out about it, or of those who do, most never learn 
> how it works.
> <sigh>
> I know it's human nature, but I really wish folks were better informed about 
> it.
> I actually pointed out the accessibility of apple products off the shelf on a 
> post about Steve Job's death, and though it did warant a reply by the 
> article's author, it was merely to indicate that he'd not thought about that 
> aspect of things. <sigh>
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