all this is great. going to have to look at what things do i'll turn on num pad 
commander, then the learn keyboard and see what if anything gives, smile

On 27 May 2012, at 15:47, David Griffith wrote:

> Well yes.
> So pressing numpad 5 will be the same as vo space 
> Pressing 9 will interact 
> Pressing7 will uninteract.
> 4 and 6 will be the same as vo left and right arrow and so on.
> I now forget the key numbers as I use it so much but using numpad for
> context menu rather than shift vo m  is in particular much smoother and less
> finger work.  Other symbols will bring up windows chooser , item chooser and
> the menu bar.
> Personally for me it transformed the usability of Voiceover and I find it
> far less clunky and keystroke intensive now.
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of william lomas
> Sent: 27 May 2012 14:33
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: using numb pad commander
> 
> so when i turn the numb pad commander on i am not typing numbers is that
> right?
> 
> On 27 May 2012, at 14:07, David Griffith wrote:
> 
>> If I understand you right then VO clear or VO numlock on a windows
> keyboarde
>> will turn Numpad commander on and off.
>> The best way to learn it is to use VO K to turn keyboard help on and then
>> experiment.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of william lomas
>> Sent: 27 May 2012 12:32
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: using numb pad commander
>> 
>>      hi all, having worked out that the numbers are always active, if i
>> wish to use numbpad commander, do i have to turn the numbers off or
>> something or can i press the keys on their own on the numb pad to issue VO
>> commands for movement?
>> thanks, WIll
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