wow thanks. Lots of info a little overwhelming but I will save it and work 
through the info. I live in Canada.
THanks.
Lovette

On 2012-06-20, at 8:33 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Lovette and Others,
> 
> You can use GPS apps with an iPod Touch or WiFi-only iPad by purchasing a 
> compatible Bluetooth GPS receiver and pairing it through Bluetooth with your 
> iOS device.  This will let you use GPS apps that you purchase and download 
> onto your iPod Touch. Apple approved GPS devices that work with the iPod 
> Touch or iPad are typically about $100 from Amazon in the US (equivalent to 
> about £64), but seem more expensive in the Amazon UK listings due to VAT and 
> other factors.  They include:
> • Dual Electronics XGPS150A Universal Bluetooth GPS Receiver for iPad 3, iPad 
> 2, iPad, iPod touch, iPhone and Other Smartphones, Tablets and Laptops Now 
> with 12-28V adapter for cars, boats and airplanes!
> (This used to be the Dual Electronics XGPS150 model)
> • Bad Elf GPS Receiver for iPod touch, iPhone, iPad (3rd generation), iPad 2, 
> and iPad (66-channel, SBAS/WAAS, 10 Hz)
> • GNS 5870 MFi Bluetooth Receiver for iPhone/iPad/iPod
> 
> These are small devices that require separate power, and are rated for about 
> 8 hours of use.  The Dual Electronics XGPS150 or XGPS150A is about 2 inches 
> on a side and can be worn on an armband.  The Bad Elf GPS Receiver is about 
> the size of a slightly long docking extender that plugs into the dock of the 
> iPod Touch.  The GNS 5870 MFi Receiver is a credit card-sized separate 
> receiver.  They can also all be used with an iPhone to boost the accuracy of 
> GPS reception.  In the first two cases there is a free app that lets you 
> determine the efficiency and accuracy of the GPS reception by telling you how 
> many satellites are being used to pinpoint your position and the strength of 
> the lock.  I think that only Dual Electronics made their free app accessible 
> in response to feedback from visually impaired users.
> 
> There are a couple of extra considerations for using these devices with GPS 
> apps: 
> • A very few apps, including the Sendero GPS Lookaround app, are written so 
> that they will only work with the iPhone.  The app developer can check your 
> iOS device and operating system version, and disable functionality.  Even 
> though I can run every other GPS app such as Navigon, MotionX GPS Drive, 
> Mapquest 4 Mobile, Ariadne GPS, HopStop, etc. on an iPad with 3G+Wi-Fi (or 
> the later model 4G+Wi-Fi iPad), and those iPads have built-in GPS reception, 
> Sendero has always blocked the operation of its app with non-iPhone devices.  
> So you will not be able to use the Sendero app with your iPod Touch, even 
> with a GPS Bluetooth receiver.
> • Some GPS apps require an active internet connection to work, because the 
> map database they use isn't stored on your device.  These include helper apps 
> like AroundMe and Where To?, and any GPS apps like Ariadne GPS, the default 
> Maps app, and Mapquest 4 Mobile (a US only app) that requires an internet 
> connection for map data.
> 
> Daniela was referring to this last point when she mentioned as a solution 
> getting a MiFi or other personal wireless hotspot to provide you with 
> wireless internet connectivity wherever you are.  Arthur, the name "MiFi" is 
> the brand name for the portable wireless hotspot device that Verizon makes 
> and popularized.  Many cell phone providers will sell or rent such devices 
> and provide services for a monthly fee.  I use a ClearSpot for about 
> $30/month to provide 4G coverage for my laptop and other iOS devices.  This 
> gives me faster connection speeds than a 3G connection, supports up to 8 
> connected devices for 5 hours on a full charge, lets me use the minimum data 
> plan on my iPhone, and provides internet connections for my laptop if I 
> travel to other locations in the U.S. with Clear 4G coverage.  (In the U.S. 
> "tethering" a laptop or other device to an iPhone requires an additional 
> monthly fee from my carrier, would be capped at 2GB/month, and would be 
> considerably slower.)
> 
> Getting back to Lovette's original question, getting a Bluetooth GPS receiver 
> and using GPS apps that either come with a full downloaded set of maps, like 
> Navigon or TomTom, or which allow you to download the maps that you'll need 
> before you travel, while you're on a Wi-Fi connection, like MotionX GPS Drive 
> (U.S. only),  does let you use your iPod Touch with GPS navigation apps.  I 
> can imagine someone in the U.S. buying a Dual Electronics XGPS150A for $100, 
> then getting MotionX GPS Drive for $0.99 plus paying for 1 year of 
> voice-assisted guidance for $9.99, and finding this a good solution for their 
> iPod Touch.  Or alternatively, buying one of the Navigon regional apps for 
> the U.S. (currently $29.99, but has been on sale for half this price), and 
> getting a complete set of maps locally on their iPod Touch.
> 
> I'm not familiar with the options in the U.K., so someone else will have to 
> chime in here.  Dual Electronics is a U.S.-based firm that does sell 
> internationally.  Bad Elf and the GNS 5870 MFi are European firms.  Here's a 
> link to an iLounge review of the Dual Electronics XGPS150:
> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/reviews/dual-electronics-xgps150-universal-gps-receiver/
> 
> Here's more information on the Dual Electronics products page, since you 
> might have more trouble finding this:
> • Their UK/European retailer, Proviation (£100, which includes the 20% VAT 
> surcharge and free delivery):
> http://proviationshop.co.uk/shop/article_XGPS150-E/Dual-XGPS150-E-Bluetooth-GPS-Receiver.html
> • The description page at Dual Electronics:
> http://www.xgps150.dualav.com/how-it-works.html
> • The FAQ:
> http://xgps150.dualav.com/faq.html
> 
> All of the above GPS Bluetooth receivers have been used by visually impaired 
> iOS device users.  You do not need the free apps that let you check the 
> detailed GPS performance to use these devices, but I'm only aware of Dual 
> Electronics adding accessibility to their app (last year).   I don't use 
> these myself, so others may be able to provide more details.  Ariadne GPS, 
> the app that started this discussion thread, uses the Open Street Map 
> database, so you need an active internet connection to use it.  
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
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