Esther I forgot to ask, do you have the bug number for the one you submitted last year? On 24 Jul 2012, at 18:44, Esther <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Dónal, > > You have my permission to use any of my text, and you can also link to the > discussions here using the Mail Archive site. This post doesn't cover the > other issue about not being able to interact with and check/uncheck items in > the tables on the Java Preferences tabs. As Paula also reported, VoiceOver > announces "empty table". I really want to emphasize that university and > college students who are using Blackboard are likely to have to use the Java > Preferences utility when certificates expire or need to be fixed, so if Apple > wants to continue maintaining its presence in the field of higher education, > and also support accessibility there, this has to be fixed. It's another one > of those items that was reported to them previously, but is becoming more of > an issue. > > Thanks, > > Esther > > On Jul 24, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Gordon/ Esther: >> >> I'm in the process of filing a bug, however I'd like permission to use some >> of Esther's superb text. I won't comment here on anything relating to >> mountain lion; just to say that "all that glisters is not gold". >> >> Dónal >> On 24 Jul 2012, at 18:13, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Esther >>> >>> Yes, so I've now come to understand. Thanks for putting us right. >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> On 23 Jul 2012, at 20:40, Esther <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> This is a genuine accessibility issue with Java Preferences. VoiceOver >>> doesn't see tabs other than the one that is currently selected, so they >>> don't show up in item chooser menu, and you can't use it, or any of the >>> other normal ways to navigate to them and select them. I've posted a >>> complete solution for Paula on how to use Mouse Keys to navigate to any of >>> the tabs and select them, because you can move vertically down from the >>> "Java Preferences" heading in the title bar with Mouse Keys and VoiceOver >>> will tell you when you have moved over the "Network" tab if you've set the >>> verbosity to speak items under the mouse cursor by checking that box in the >>> announcements tab under VoiceOver Utility. Then you can start moving >>> horizontally with Mouse Keys either to the left or right to navigate to the >>> other tabs. It's just that it takes a lot of key presses to move this way >>> -- I think about 32 presses of the "k" key to move down to the edge of the >>> tabs, and about 75 key presses to mov >>> e across any tab horizontally. It was only about 10 presses of the "u" key >>> to move left to the "Security" tab if you moved down from the heading, but >>> it would take another 75 or so to move to the edge of the "General" tab in >>> order to click it, which you can do by pressing the "i" key. This will >>> work every time and go directly to the control you want, but typing out the >>> explanation of how to set up Mouse Keys and mapping out the number of key >>> presses takes longer than just moving your cursor with your finger on the >>> Trackpad, guided by the edge, if you only need to get to one of the tabs. >>> >>> Incidentally, the VoiceOver reporting behavior when I navigate onto the tab >>> group with Mouse Keys also tells me there's an accessibility issue with the >>> setup. I shouldn't hear the tab reported until I'm directly over it, but >>> somehow, as I move down towards the tab area, VoiceOver starts reporting >>> the currently selected tab group, and only identifies the individual tab >>> names, with "radio button" appended, once I am directly over those tabs. >>> It's as though the currently selected tab blots out the tab grouping >>> selection, which is indeed how it appears from the item chooser menu >>> behavior -- only the currently selected tab, whichever one it is, is >>> visible to VoiceOver. >>> >>> If any list members are working as developers with the Mountain Lion gold >>> master, please check the behavior of Java Preferences! >>> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > [email protected] > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> > or at the public Mail Archive: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/>. > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml> > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and > worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> Dónal Fitzpatrick [email protected] <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to [email protected] You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> or at the public Mail Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/>. 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