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Lynne On 30 Sep 2012, at 17:01, "wayne coles" <[email protected]> wrote: Hello is there a way that i can change from the digest to receiving all the lists email thanks in advance ---wayne coles--Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 30 September 2012 07:04 To: [email protected] Subject: Mac-Access Digest, Vol 883, Issue 3 Send Mac-Access mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mac-Access digest..." _______________________________________ This is the daily digest of messages posted to the Mac-Access E-Mail forum. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Rumola is unique! Rumola beats the CAPTCHA test! (Sarah Alawami) 2. Re: Rumola is unique! Rumola beats the CAPTCHA test! (Courtney Curran) 3. Re: Have any of you used this app? (Diane Bomar) 4. Re: My Thoughts on the Mac Accessibility was RE: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"] (Shaun Oliver) 5. Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"] (Lyn & her faithful furry friends) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 20:55:05 -0700 From: Sarah Alawami <[email protected]> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Rumola is unique! Rumola beats the CAPTCHA test! Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Odd. Mine came up with an error which I sent to you over twitter. Will try it out and see if the page just made a mistake. or what ever. Tc all. On Sep 29, 2012, at 7:50 PM, Orin <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes it does work under safari six. Even though the page said that, i tried it anyway. > > Orin > [email protected] > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks > Skype: orin1112 > > > > On Sep 29, 2012, at 10:48 PM, Sarah Alawami <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Unfortunitally I cannot try this as it says that the browser (safari 6) is not supported at this time but those of you using firefox nightly can tell us using safari if it works or not. >> >> Be blessed. >> >> >> http://skipinput.com/ >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> [email protected] >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/>. >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > [email protected] > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> > or at the public Mail Archive: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/>. > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml> > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:58:13 -0400 From: Courtney Curran <[email protected]> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Rumola is unique! Rumola beats the CAPTCHA test! Message-ID: <-3218708197362626193@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Yes, it does work, I've used rumala before. It's a wonderful extension. Courtney Sent from my iPad On Sep 29, 2012, at 10:55 PM, Orin <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes it does work under safari six. Even though the page said that, i tried it anyway. > > Orin > [email protected] > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks > Skype: orin1112 > > > > On Sep 29, 2012, at 10:48 PM, Sarah Alawami <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Unfortunitally I cannot try this as it says that the browser (safari 6) is not supported at this time but those of you using firefox nightly can tell us using safari if it works or not. >> >> Be blessed. >> >> >> http://skipinput.com/ >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> [email protected] >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/>. >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > [email protected] > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> > or at the public Mail Archive: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/>. > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml> > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:05:17 -0600 From: "Diane Bomar" <[email protected]> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Have any of you used this app? Message-ID: <539BF63367324BEC84812D65C12C26D6@DianeLaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes, I love it! Really helped me last winter when searching for a new home. The website works great, also. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Mehta" <[email protected]> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 10:52 AM Subject: Have any of you used this app? Hi, Someone sent me the following and I am interested in hearing feedback from any of you who may have used this app. Thanks! > == Walk Score == > > <http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/lifestyle/walk-score > (from AppleVis - Recent Additions to the App Directory) > > Get your Walk Score and find walkable places to live. > Walk Score instantly calculates the walkability of any location and > shows you a map of nearby restaurants, coffee shops, grocery stores, etc. > Walk Score helps you find apartments and rentals near the places you > love. It's the only app that lets you search by commute time or near > public transit. We help you find a place where you can drive less > and live more. > FEATURES: > + Instantly get the Walk Score for any location > + See nearby restaurants, groceries, shops, parks, etc. > + Find apartments and rentals by commute time > + See the freshest listings from top rental sites > + Search for apartments near public transit > + Customize your search: price, beds, pets, etc. > + Contact landlords on the go > Everything you need to find a place you love! > About Walk Score: We believe walkable neighborhoods with access to > public transit, shorter commutes, and people and places you love are > the key to a happier and healthier lifestyle. > Version2.1.1Free or PaidFreeCompatibilityThis is a native iPhone and > iPod Touch app that is displayed in 2x mode on an iPadDevice(s) App > Was Tested OniPhone 4Accessibility CommentsVery simple and > surprisingly accessible, with the possible exception of the maps. > All buttons and form fields are clearly labeled and I had no trouble > at all getting around. This app only works with IOS 5 or later, so > make sure you're up-to-date before downloading it. I'm running IOS 6 > and had no problems whatsoever. > VoiceOver PerformanceVoiceOver reads all page elements.Button > LabellingAll buttons are clearly labelled.UsabilityThe app is fully > accessible with VoiceOver and is easy to navigate and use.Other > CommentsThis app and the website behind it is such an awesome idea > and I'm so glad they're both very accessible. As someone wishing to > live on my own finding the most walkable area possible is of great > importance to me, and this app will be a great help with that. It's > also encouraged me to do more walking in my current place of > residence. The walk score in my neighborhood is 62%. What a pleasant surprise. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to [email protected] You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> or at the public Mail Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/>. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:48:28 +0930 From: Shaun Oliver <[email protected]> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility <[email protected]> Subject: Re: My Thoughts on the Mac Accessibility was RE: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've also had it said to me that if you can get hold of a numpad, bluetooth or otherwise, you can make full use of numpad commander and it makes the navigating experience just that much better. I personally had no issue with learning to use the mac. I learned to drive on around two years ago, as a friend of mine had one. ever since then, I could wander into a store, turn voiceover on and have a play. Now I have one, I've not looked back. On 30/09/2012, at 12:45 PM, "Debbie April Yuille" <[email protected]> wrote: > Here, Here. Well said. I've just migrated to mac and I'm quite surprised > with how accessible it really is. I have virtually no site, and I'm learning > to get around it quite well. I particularly love the way that you can use > the Item chooser to navigate around a page rather than tab around a hole > screen in other systems to find what you want. > > Debbie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette > Annabel Smith > Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2012 3:39 AM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was > "so wish apple had done this"] > > Hello John, Will and all > > As somebody with vision looking in, so to speak, I frequently find it > astonishing when I hear people criticising what Apple is doing with > accessibility; particularly in view of the practicalities. For instance, > unless you're a pirate and by definition, therefore, a thief, Freedom > Scientific, GW Micro and Dolphin Access, to name but three vendors, charge a > very great deal of money for their accessibility tools. Also, Microsoft > charges for their operating system, even for the most basic version, over 5 > times what Apple does. VoiceOver is a free and, most of the time, very > reliable product. It gives the user access to a WYSIWYG, (what you see is > what you get) interface to websites. Most of which can, if you take the time > to learn to use it, be navigated extremely well using VoiceOver and Safari. > > Ultimately, it really depends upon the individual. If you just want a sheet > of virtual paper with a hand-holding web environment, by all means use your > other products and I wish you the very best of luck in all you do. > > I, (and I count my lucky stars, believe me), have the advantage of vision > and I have seen both sides of this. I do see some sites where VoiceOver just > will not play nicely and yes, we have seen some pretty spectacular crashes > at times. However, in the general scheme of things, the environment is more > stable and just as, if not more, reliable than the competition if, and it is > a very big if, the pilot of the machine takes the time and effort to learn > to handle it. > > I sincerely hope that we see a time when Apple perfects their accessibility > tools. But make no mistake about it; they are committed to accessibility and > they will improve their offerings. Remember also that the competing products > have been available far far longer than has VoiceOver. Yes, I know that you > can't always go by that and I know also that Apple has been involved in the > field of accessibility for around 8 years now. However, just cast your mind > back to how things were before Apple entered the market. Apple really has > made a difference, not only to their own products, but also the competition. > > I recall the vice president of one accessibility company saying: > "It's all very well having an operating system with a talking installer. But > that's not much use if you can't do anything with it afterwards." > > That statement was a direct quote. It was, and remains, the utterings of a > frightened man who feared losing custom. As things have worked out, that is > exactly what has happened. Literally tens of thousands of visually impaired > users across the world have now migrated to Apple's products; desktop and > mobile. Indeed, the vice president of Freedom Scientific himself is the > proud owner of an iPhone. Make of that what you will! > > Anyway, I am ranting. But I sometimes find it really disappointing when I > hear people complaining like this. People who have freedom to choose. The > long and the short of this is: If you want perfection, you'll be waiting for > a very very long time. If you are prepared to be flexible and innovative, > you have the power at your fingertips, quite literally in some cases. If, > however, you are happy with constant virtualisation, hand-holding and costly > solutions, then perhaps Apple's platforms are not for you. yes, there are > free and low-cost applications available out there for other operating > systems. And that is to be applauded. However, you are still working within > the confines of an often insecure, vulnerable and unstable environment. > > Which ever option you choose to take is entirely down to your preference. > However, although I can understand a degree of frustration when things don't > quite work out; and yes, it does happen to my other half as well quite > frequently, the best thing you could do is to make the most of the failures. > Try to reliably replicate them and, if possible, send your crash reports to > Apple. That is the only way your problems will be fixed. It isn't reasonable > to expect Apple to foresee every eventuality and I urge cooperation and > patience. Believe it or not, as somebody with vision, I can tel you that > Internet Explorer 9 and FireFox 15 are not invulnerable and do crash quite > frequently, even without accessibility tools in the mix. Speaking > personally, I learned to do much more than point and click and I learned > most of it on an Apple Mac. I also made it my business to learn to use > VoiceOver in order that I can interact with my other half who is, like many > people in this group, totally bl > ind. I feel for each and every one of you. But I urge you to try and make > the very best of what you have available. Only in that way will you be able > to evolve with the ever-changing world of technologies, assistive and > otherwise. > > Ladies and gentlemen, I apologise for the rant. This is, however, a topic on > which I hold passionate views. > > My very best and most sincere wishes to each and every one of you. > > Lynne > > On 29 Sep 2012, at 17:24, John Panarese <[email protected]> wrote: > > There are a lot of things you can do to fiddle and troubleshoot such > issues. Do you have examples of sites and what you are specifically looking > for? The reality is that VoiceOver and Safari are not perfect, but neither > are web designers. Don't discount the possiblity of the site simply being > badly designed. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > [email protected] > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> > or at the public Mail Archive: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/>. > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml> > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to [email protected] > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> > or at the public Mail Archive: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/>. > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml> > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 08:03:43 +0200 From: Lyn & her faithful furry friends <[email protected]> To: mac access <[email protected]> Subject: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > I whole-heartedly agree with your post Lynne..couldn't have said it better. > all I have to say is thank you Apple for your commitment to making your products accessible to everyone regardless of whether they are disabled or not. I have been able to visualise things a lot more ever since I've been using a mac. I know how the screen is laid out just like any sighted person, unlike with the other screen readers which constantly use virtualisation. Well basically, a big thank you and all my gratitude to Apple for making accessibility a right and not something you should fork out tons of money for. I am grateful for being able to buy a computer, a phone.. that is usable right out of the box without the assistance of a sighted person. I am grateful for being able to buy this equipment at the same price a sighted person buys it so yes, thank you Apple for all the hard work. Nothing is perfect and I am sure things can only improve so let's all be patient and as Lynne rightly said, report problems to Apple, this is the only way they will know what problems we are having. > Never in a million years will I go back to using other screen readers and the other platform. > > Take care all, > > Lyn, Canelle & Epi > > On Sep 29, 2012, at 8:05 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello Missy >> >> I think that is a fair and reasonable perspective. I'm certainly not trying to involve anybody in a "My toy's better than yours" debate. What people do and how they choose to do it is entirely down to their choice. All I can say in conclusion to this is that this group is here for all of those people who share a desire and even a passion to see Apple's products improve. Also those who are keen to use and, in many cases, learn to use the products. Whatever your skill level and whatever your application for Apple's products may be, you are very welcome here. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 29 Sep 2012, at 18:53, "Missy Hoppe" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> ? Very well said! I'll be the first to admit that I don't take full advantage of all the tips and tricks that could make web >> browsing easier, but I don't blaim apple or other screen reader developers. It's entirely my fault if I'm too lazy or >> stubborn to take the time to learn how to use web browsers properly. It always frustrates me when I see any product being >> bashed for seemingly no good reason. True, there are things I personally don't use, but I'm willing to respect others' rights >> or desire to use such products. I don't know if this is making any sense or not, but in a nut shell, all I'm trying to say is >> that I agree with you 100%. 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