Andy, it's going to take some time. I'll admit that, but please don't be discouraged. I was right in the position that it sounds to me like that you're in right now. I really didn't like browsing the web nor doing e-mail from my mac, nor ffor that mind, from my IPhone/IPad. I thought it was a bit clunky, but let me tell ya: I stuck it out, and was very patient, although sometimes I did! have to step away to maintain my sanity, but once I came back with a clear level head, I tried again, and let me tell you something personally just completely friend to friend here, list not withstanding: I finally did it! I finally got the hang of it, and it was probably the most rewarding thing I've yet accomplished on my mac, with the exception of learning ProTools. I think Mail, and Safari both are probably the most tricky things for new Voiceover users to grasp, but once you do, trust me: most likely, you'll never look back!

My main point is, I'd like to offer you some kind words of encouragement. Don't give up. I promise, that awquardness will go away with time, may God be my witness. LOL! Smile.

Have a great day, and if I, or anyone else on list can help you with either Mail or Safari, please don't hesitate to post to the list and let us know. That's what we're here for, and the only dumb question is the one that you don't ask!

Chris.

----- Original Message ----- From: "ANDY COLLINS" <[email protected]>
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Mail busy message


Hi Carol - I'm actually finding mail a bit of a pain, just when I think I can navigate it ok, the appearance changes, or Having interacted with a message, when I stop, I am thrown out in to somewhere I didn't expect to be, and can't get back to my messages without some fiddling about. I've searched around for help, and have heard a couple of Pods referring to mail, but nothing really that has given an in-depth explanation of how it works, and how to best set it up. I'm a bit like this in Safari or Chrome, I think I've grasped navigating etc, only to encounter something that throws me, and then frustrates me too! -

Andy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Pearson" <[email protected]>
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: Mail busy message


Andy,

I have been having similar problems.

One thing that sometimes seems to help me is, instead of stopping reacting in messages, to cycle between the reading of headers or messages, and I think this is the third one that sometimes comes up, but I can't remember offhand what it is.

We both are getting there slowly! I think there may be a keystroke we're both missing, so I hope somebody will chime in here!

Carol P
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On 18 Jul 2013, at 04:58 PM, Andy Collins <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi all -

A lot of the time, when I stop interacting with messages table in mail, VO says "busy." The only way I can get out of this is by quitting the app, and reopening it. Do others have this issue? Can anything be done about it? -

Andy
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