I think this has been an issue since mavericks as mine used to take 30 seconds, now it takes 4 and tha't with all drives except my internal connected. So yeah I think it has some thing to do with the way items re loved in. According to tinker tool, apple modified the way that log in items are started, you cannot choose what order they are started in, but all log in items are started at the eact same time thereby, to me, producing a lot of drag when the system starts. I'm sure her are KB articles and tech papers and all of that stuff on that subject, so yeah I think it is a mavericks issue.
btw memory keeper is accessible 100 percent of the way. I use it. how ever it will not hep on start up as that's when your paging file is cleared. On Mar 27, 2014, at 8:56 AM, Christopher Gilland <[email protected]> wrote: > Alberto, > > You know something? I never even thought of that! Very good point. I did > recently have a Mr. Nasty on one of my windows desktop machines, so, though I > doubt it would have leaked over to the Mac side of things, I definitely don’t > discount it. > > This all being said, I’ve recently scanned all my systems, both Mac, and > Windows, and in both cases, they both were completely cleaned, and all seems > to be running very well across all systems. Don’t get me wrong. Once my > macs boot up, they run absolutely perfectly, but it’s just that initial > bootup that is really aggravating. > > Chris. > > On Mar 27, 2014, at 11:38 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> There could even be a virus on the network affecting all your systems if you >> have more then one computer at home and set up in a network. >> On Mar 27, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Josh Gregory <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> You could look into that, there might be something that is taking forever. >>> I don't know but at this point anything is a possibility. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 27, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Christopher Gilland >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I know, and I desperetly want to. I just don’t totally know where to >>>> start. >>>> >>>> I might have a look at that memory keeper app that was recommended. >>>> >>>> Seeing this is happenning on multiple systems, I’m not totally convinced >>>> that the issue is within the hardware of my ram, although, this being >>>> said, I wonder if I am consistently across all my systems using an app >>>> which is draining my memory. Although, if that’s the case, then why would >>>> it be doing so right when I boot up? I really don’t honestly have all >>>> that much, if anything, in my login items. >>>> >>>> Chris. >>>> >>>>> On Mar 27, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Josh Gregory <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I know dude, you should probably get that looked into though >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 27, 2014, at 6:19 AM, Christopher Gilland >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I know you weren’t meaning it rudely. I was half joking, half serious. >>>>>> That said, yeah, I have no idea why it’s taking so long. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Josh Gregory <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course, I didn't mean it like that. That's an awful long time though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2014, at 3:09 PM, "Christopher gilland" >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of corse I'm serious! I wouldn't a written the list had I not been. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Gregory" >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 2:20 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Slow bootup? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What in the… Are you serious? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:18 PM, "Christopher gilland" >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I did, and they have no clue. they clame my boot time really isn't >>>>>>>>>> that bad. Come on! timed: 8 and a half minutes? I don't freaking >>>>>>>>>> think so! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 2:11 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Slow bootup? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Actually I meant that for the original poster, halsworth. Yeah >>>>>>>>>>> there are 2 chris's on this post. lol! Looks like it might be >>>>>>>>>>> time to call apple care on this one. good luck. >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Christopher gilland >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear, although I >>>>>>>>>>>> thought I had. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 1:20 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Slow bootup? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you tried a full reinstall of mavericks/ I did and although >>>>>>>>>>>>> slow, I do see a slight speed increase. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2014, at 12:45 AM, christopher hallsworth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Macbook Pro 2012 model running Os X 10.9.2 is slow booting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> up. Once booted all is well. I'm thinking of doing a clean >>>>>>>>>>>>>> install as never done one since owning this mac nearly two years >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago. So should I go ahead and do this? My processor is Core I5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and memory is 4 GB. Any responses greatly appreciated. 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