HI Esther, Yes that did the trick. One has to get into the way Apple engineers think! Many thanks for the info and best wishes....
Paul On 23 May 2014, at 21:26, Esther <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Paul, > > My reading of the Apple documentation is that in order to delete synced > photos or videos from your iPhone, you have to turn off syncing in iTunes. > >From the Apple Knowledge Base document on iTunes: Syncing Photos at: > http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4236 > <begin quote> > To delete synced photos and videos from your device > • In iTunes, click the Device button in the upper right corner. (If > viewing the iTunes Store, click the Library button in the upper-right corner > first.) > • Click the Photos tab in the resulting window. > • Choose "Selected albums" and deselect the albums or collections you > want to delete. > Note: To delete all synced photos, deselect "Sync Photos from" and, when > asked, click "Remove photos." > • Click Apply. > <end quote> > > Because I don’t sync photos to my iPhone, I don’t see a category called > “photo library”, but only “camera roll”. Under iOS 5 and 6, all synced > photos appear in the photo library. > > I was able to create an album with photos and delete it, but that was an > album that did not contain synced photos. The tricky part was trying to only > put a few photos into the album, because I didn’t know whether the images > would be moved out of the camera roll and deleted when the album was deleted. > It turns out that photos added to a newly created album from the camera roll > are not removed from the camera roll when the album is created, so they are > not deleted from the camera roll when you delete the album. I don’t know > whether that is true if you add photos from your photo library or a > particular synced album. What’s tricky is that after you select the camera > roll, there is both a “Select All Photos” button and a “PL Blue Plus” button > when you flick right. Double tapping either of these buttons has exactly > exactly the same result of announcing, “Selected” and turning the button into > a “Deselect all photos” button, except that flicking right to the second > button now gives the announcement of “PL Blue Minus”. > > However, when I tried to select individual photos, I encountered another > weird issue: when I flick right to navigate past the buttons for selecting > all photos, and specifically when I move past the “PL Blue Plus” button, I > don’t hear any of the individual camera roll photos announced as I flick > right, even when double tapping apparently selects these items. However, if > I instead move to the last element on the screen with a four finger tap on > the bottom half of the screen, and then flick left (photo stream tab, > selected albums tab, then the announcement of the number of photos in the > camera roll), I can hear the individual photos announced (by date and time) > and double tap to select them. Again, I don’t hear the announcement of > “selected”, but I can tell these have been selected by moving back to the > first element on the screen with a four finger tap on the top half of the > screen, and I hear the announcement “Add x photos to” plus the name of my > created album, where “x” is the number of photos that I double tapped. This > also works to tell me that photos I tried to select by flicking left (where I > could hear VoiceOver announce the photos) were selected. These issues don’t > appear to be present for selecting photos under iOS 7. > > Here are the steps I took after selecting the albums tab: > 1) Double tap the add button in the top left corner (also the first element > on the screen) > 2) Type a name for the new album in the text field of the prompt to “Enter a > name for this album” and press the “return” key in the bottom right corner of > the on-screen keyboard. I typed in the name “Choir”, and VoiceOver prompted > with “Add photos to Choir" > 3) Flick right past “Albums” and the “Done” button to “Camera Roll” and > double tap. VoiceOver says “Albums, back button” > 4) Flick right past “Camera Roll”, the “Done” button, the “Select All Photos” > button, and the “PL Blue Plus” button. You don’t hear VoiceOver announce > anything. But I can do a four finger tap on the bottom half of the screen to > move to the “Photostream” tab, flick left to “Selected, Albums, tab”, flick > left to number of photos, and then flick left to through the various photos > and select them. I don’t hear VO say “Selected”, but the date-time > information of the photo gets repeated when I double tap. If I want to > select individual photos, and not all the photos in the Camera roll, I can > immediately move to the last element in the screen to start flicking left, > and skip the action in the first sentence of flicking right past the camera > roll. > 5) After selecting individual photos, four finger tap on the top half of the > screen to move to first element in the screen. VoiceOver announces the > number of selected photos and the name of the new album, for example “Add 2 > photos to Choir”. > 6) Flick right past “Albums, back button” and “Camera roll” to “Done” button > and double tap. Your new album (with selected photos) will be created under > Albums, and focus will move to the first element of the screen, which VO will > announce as the “Add” button. Flicking right lets me hear “Album, heading”, > “Edit button”, “Camera roll”, and “Choir” with the number of photos in each > album. > 7) To delete the new “Choir” album, I double tap the “Edit” button, which > turns into a “Done” button, then flick right past “Camera roll’ to “Delete, > switch button, off”, which precedes the text field of the album. > 8) I double tap the “Delete, switch button, off”, and focus moves to a > “Confirm deletion button” > 9) I double tap the “Confirm deletion button” and hear VO say “Alert, are you > sure you want to delete the album “Choir”? The photos will not be deleted” > 10) Flicking right the “Delete Album” button and double tapping removes the > created album from the list. > > Sorry to go into so much detail for an action which did not describe what you > wanted to do. I think the behavior I saw was due to selecting photos from my > camera roll, and not from a synced folder. I can delete photos from the > camera roll directly, but creating albums with photos from the camera roll > and deleting the albums doesn’t delete those photos. > > Also, I think the reason for not hearing photos selected for the new album > announced as “Selected” is a focus issue. It turns out that when I selected > photos for the new album that were not at the end of the camera roll, and > went back to the end of the camera rolls and started flicking left again, I > heard VoiceOver say “Selected”, but offset from my actual selections. > Someone verified this announcement was happening as I navigated through > photos that were one row below my actual selected photos (which are visually > indicated with a cross). The reason I tried selecting photos from the end of > the camera roll is that this is something I do when I use TextGrabber to try > to give me information on a startup screen with accessibility problems. I > take a screen capture, which goes to the end of my Camera roll. When I run > TextGrabber to have it try to OCR a screen capture on my Camera roll instead > of using the camera to take a new picture, I move to the “Album” button that > is the last element of the screen, double tap, then navigate to the last > photo on my Camera roll and find and select it by flicking left from the end > of the screen, just past the announced number of photos. I found out that > the failure to announce “selected” on the correct photo was likely a focus > problem when I flicked far enough left to select photos with very different > dates and time, and then moved back to the end of the camera roll and started > flicking left again to check VoiceOver's announcements, and was startled to > hear “selected” (but not at the photo positions I had actually selected). > > This is likely information that will not be useful to most people, since this > doesn’t happen under iOS 7. However, since I spent all this time > experimenting, and since it might be something that Paul might encounter in > trying to create albums on his iPhone, I decided to document both the method > of selecting photos from the end of the camera roll, which at least gets > announcements from VoiceOver, and also the focus bug of not having the > correct photos that you chose get announced as “selected” by VoiceOver, which > instead applies this to photos one row below your actual selection. It’s > impossible to diagnose this unless you navigate through the camera roll at > least one more time after making your selection, and without a sighted person > to confirm what was going on. > > Sorry, Paul, but I don’t know a way to move forward on this. There was a > time, a long while ago, that I was able to use an app called "Photo Transfer” > to select and send photos to another device or computer on the same Wi-Fi > network, but it was only accessible in the early versions — a long time ago, > somewhere under iOS 5 or maybe even a late version of iOS 4. I don’t do > enough with photos to check things like this out, and I don’t have a large > photo library on my computer. The only reason I originally tried a photo > transfer app was because I wanted to check the limitations of iPad cameras in > performing OCRs with apps. Transferring photos from an iPhone camera to an > iPad camera roll and running an OCR app on that image worked perfectly well. > In some cases I could run OCRs on screen capture images from the iPad to > diagnose app startup screen accessibility issues, even when I couldn’t take > other pictures with the iPad camera. > > Also, this is related to another question you asked in a different thread: it > is possible to transfer images to an iPad’s photo app via an SD card inserted > into an iPad Camera Connection Kit, but I don’t think this will be the > solution to move your friend’s photos from her PC, for reasons of both > organization and accessibility. With the first generation iPad, the iPad > Camera Connection Kit accessory provided some really interesting features > that were not possible with either the iPhone or the iPod Touch. These > included the ability to connect USB devices using one of the adapters in the > iPad Camera Connection Kit, which was a 30-pin to USB adapter plug, and also > to transfer photos using a second Camera Connection Kit adapter, which was a > 30-pin plug with a slot for inserting an SD card. Most of the really > exciting possibilities came from using the USB adapter plug — it was clearly > designed so people would be able to use the iPad to connect to devices for > audio input and composition, like Midi players, unpowered USB microphones, > etc. I was able to plug in a Griffin iMic into the USB connector and record > directly from my tape player into the Voxie Pro Recorder app. In the first > iOS release, I was even able to connect a USB keyboard into the connector and > use it with VoiceOver navigation in place of the Apple Wireless Keyboard, and > to connect a USB card reader, which I don’t think you can do any more. > > However, the limitation on using the SD card and the USB card reader is that > the only file types that are recognized by the iPad are camera type image > files like jpegs or video files. And there was no file structure preserved > in the form of folder organization. The only application that could transfer > these files was the Photos app, and apart from the problems of being able to > distinguish photos via labels with VoiceOver, about the only thing you could > do would be to select all the images and transfer them — or else navigate > through a long set of images to select individual items. I don’t even > remember whether you could do that with VoiceOver. The situation is similar > to being able to use the “open in” function for apps on your device. In > order to be able to open files in particular apps on your iPhone, the file > type must be recognized and supported under the operating system, and the > capability to “Open in” that application must be written into that app. It > initially was not possible to transfer eBooks directly to your device without > using iTunes Sync. Using email attachments and DropBox to move these files > were features that were added in later. > > There are equivalent connectors to the two that were part of the iPad Camera > Connection Kit for 30-pin connectors for the current generation of iOS > devices that use lightning connectors, and each can be separately purchased. > I have no familiarity with using these connectors. However, the basic > limitations of the transfer mechanism are likely to be the same, along with > any of the issues of VoiceOver accessibility in identifying and selecting > files in the Photos app. > > If you can locate an accessible photo transfer app, that might be a way to > proceed. The only way I’ve handled moving files to an iOS device for someone > who needs direct transfer of their own files from a Mac computer is to create > a separate user account with a separate iTunes. > > Sorry not to have a better answer for you. HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On May 22, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hi Esther, >> If I use the add button to create a new empty photo album I can then delete >> that new album as you describe. However the delete switch button does not >> appear before the choir folder possibly because that folder is not empty or >> possibly because that folder was created via iTunes syncing the choir folder >> on my iMac. I tried to add a photo to the new test album I had just created >> but could not work out how to do that. >> Was your new folder empty or did you put some photos in it before trying to >> delete it? >> All the best.... >> >> Paul >> On 22 May 2014, at 20:15, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi Paul, >>> >>> If you double tap the edit button, so that it changes into a "Done" button, >>> and then flick right past the camera roll and photo library, do you hear >>> "delete, switch button, off" just before your choir album? If so, can you >>> double tap that button and hear "Confirm deletion, button"? If I double >>> tap anywhere on the screen, once focus is on the "Confirm deletion" button, >>> I get a message "Are you sure you want to delete the album?" followed by >>> the name of the album I created. Flicking right gives a "Delete Album" >>> button followed by a "Cancel" button. Double tapping the "Delete Album" >>> button brings my focus to the "Add" button, and if I flick through the >>> albums, the one that I created is now gone from the list. >>> >>> This is described for the iPhone on iOS 6, by the way. But I don't >>> transfer photos, so I had to create an album on the iPhone in order to >>> delete it. >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>>> On May 22, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Esther, >>>> I tried this and it does not work for me. I have 3 albums: camera roll, >>>> photo library, and choir. If I double tap the edit button and then double >>>> tap either photo library or choir I get a button to re-order choir via >>>> drag and drop. If I double tap that button the drag and drop does not >>>> work. >>>> What you describe ought to work as it works like that for other types of >>>> item. Maybe there is a bug in the latest level of IOS 6 which is fixed in >>>> IOS 7. >>>> Many thanks and best regards..... >>>> >>>> Paul Hopewell >>>> >>>>> On 22 May 2014, at 19:08, Esther wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Paul, >>>>> >>>>> When you are on the Albums tab of Photos on your iPhone, can you double >>>>> tap the edit button in the top right corner, then flick past the camera >>>>> roll to the album you want to delete and double tap to delete it? >>>>> >>>>> I don't have albums on my device. I created an album, under Photos on my >>>>> iPhone using the "add" button and then tried to delete it. This seems to >>>>> work. >>>>> >>>>> HTH. 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