I do think people are too quick to upgrade when an upgrade comes out. If one has no burning need to have an upgrade, why do it? There is probably nothing wrong with the current version one is using, when an upgrade comes out, so we should not be in such a hurry to grab that new shiny upgrade. But if one does make such a plunge, you would be wise to get subsequent updates, as they probably have fixes for the bugs in that major release. A bit more of the adage: If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is in order.
Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Griffith" <daj.griff...@gmail.com> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" <mac-access@mac-access.net> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Major irritation, and Baffling Wifi Trouble I am afraid in this case of Yosemite your Mum may have had a point. Luckily I have a constant ether net connection but I have observed people tearing their hair out on various lists over wifi connection issues since Yosemite came out. As you are aware Apple tried to address some of these Wi-Fi dropping out problems with the last Yosemite update but I have noted from reading RSS feeds etc that many are still complaining even after the latest update that the alleged fix from Apple has failed to resolve the problem. I have not watched this too closely as I do not use Wi-Fi on my Mac but this is certainly one of the most regrettable deficiencies in the Yosemite release. The peculiar thing is that it seems failry random in the models it affects. I think people on this list have reported for example that their MBP connects fine with Yosemite whilst their MBA has this problem, or it might have been vice versa. Sorry not to be more helpful but just to warn you it may not in fact be resolvable until until Apple finally mends this part of Yosemite. David Griffith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgillan...@gmail.com> To: <mac-access@mac-access.net> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:08 AM Subject: [Mac-access]: Major irritation, and Baffling Wifi Trouble OK, this is absolutely driving my mom and I both crazy! Actually, I'm writing this message on her behalf in hopes that we can figure this out. I told her that I fear, she might have a shot wifi adapter, but God only knows! So, here's the situation. My mother went about a month ago at the beginning of December, to the Verizon store, and activated service with an IPad Air... Not the newer Air, just the older first generation. Nice unit, by the way. I bought a wifi only model about half a week later, if that tells you all how jealous I was. LOL! Anyway, one thing about my mother that you have to understand is, first off, she's not computer savvy at all. She can do e-mail, and maybe incredibly basic internet browsing which mainly consists of shopping on Amazon if needed, shopping on the Keurig web site, then doing her online banking. She can do more than that if she really puts her mind to it, but it's extremely rare. It literally took almost 3 years to convince her to get a newer IPad. She jumped from a wifi only first generation up to what she now has. One thing about my mom, too is, she never ever runs software updates. I don't care if it's a major update, or not, she simply refuses. Every time that an update comes out which addresses some of the issues she's having, she tells me she's not going to do it, as quote unquote, it'll screw up her system. A lot of times, I wind up having to do the updates when she is at work and I'm at home alone, just because otherwise, she'll find out and throw her usual tantrom about why she doesn't want me doing anything. I could go on to tell you about how she didn't believe a word I said when I told her Verizon won't take a 1st gen IPad, it's so old, never mind the fact that it's not on their network, and is wifi only. Never mind that she didn't believe me when I told her you can't sync a backup of I O S 4 to an I O S 8 device. Finally the lady at the Verizon store had to basically set her straight since my mom wouldn't listen to a darn thing I said. Anyway, my point is, God knows what she's done, if anything to cause this. It's really hard to say. So, she gets her IPad, and she and I go back and forth, forth and back, about how for her needs, Yosemite would be a good free update, and would insure that things worked optymally with her new IPad. It took me almost 4 nights to finally convince her. Finally, she told me to do it, and run the update. So, I get it updated for her, and all is working flawlessly. I turned on automatic updates, so that when one came out, it would notify her. I figured that might make her feel a bit more confident to update things if she sees it pop up on her screen, as then she doesn't have to take her stupid little son's word for things. Pardon my insult to myself. LOL! So, finally, about half a week ago, she comes practically screaming! her head off at me from down stairs, "Chris, what the hell did you do to my mac!" I was like, um... for one, you mind being a bit more polite? Secondly, I didn't do anything... Why? She starts barking about how it doesn't work. I ran an update and now it's gonna crash, she knows it, as she's seeing early signs of it. When I asked her to describe to me the symptoms, she told me her wifi isn't working. So, I'm going, mehh, this'll be an easy one! Let me go down and show her how to get the blasted thing back online. Well, that went over real! well, as I wound up eating crow. Here I am saying this is an easy fix, well, it's not. I've been trying to figure this out for quite some time. Basically, her wifi is dropping offline literally every 10 or so seconds. The icon up in the menu extras keeps saying no signal. This is very very strange, as the very little it does connect, it has 4 of 4 bars. I went online and looked, only to find that for Yosemite, Apple somewhat recently released an update which fixed wifi issues for some users. I'm not totally sure what the specifics are of this, or if my mother was one of the effected people, but I made her aware of this, and told her, this is why you need to run updates when prompted. She still yelled at me, telling me I didn't know jack crap, and to leave her quote unquote, broken mac mini alone. So, I dropped it until last night. Well, last night, she gets off work, in an absolutely fowel mood, and tells me, "Fix my mac, and do it now! I can't get online, and I need to do some business." As if she couldn't do it with her work laptop instead. Anyway, so once I finally convinced her I'd trouble shoot things further, but she'd have to trust me, she finally agreed to let me look. The first thing I did, which she was incredibly hesitant to let me do was to take the mac upstairs where I could hardwire it to an active ethernet connection to reliably pull updates. She literally had about 15 of them, if memory serves me right. It was quite a few... one of them yes, being that wifi update. Once done, I disconnected the ethernet, and put her back on wifi. It connected just fine. No issue at all! Then, about 10 seconds later, boom! It went off, and said no signal. I should add that at this time, the system was no more than maybe 5 feet, if even that, from the router. I also should add that my Windows laptop, all three of my macs, my blueray player, my musical keyboard, my IPhone and IPad, my Apple TV, my Samsung Android tablet, and even my Samsung Galaxy Android phone all are consistently connecting to the wifi and not dropping even once regardless. I don't think I've seen them drop even once since I got this new router last October. At least, not unless I purposely made it drop while trouble shooting something. I looked in my router at the dhcp client table, and there is absolutely no IP conflict on the network that would cause this to be knocking her off. The MTU is fine, 1500, there is no packet loss at all when I ping her system via terminal, at least not for the few seconds she'll maintain connectivity. By the way, her ethernet isn't having this issue. I've ran a verify disk, repair disk, verify permissions, and fix permissions on her macintosh HD from within the recovery partition. I reset both her SMC, as well as her PRam. I've tried setting up another user administrator account to see if maybe something with her particular user got corrupted, I looked in the router, and the netmasc is definitely correct: 255.255.255.0. I went to http://www.ipmonkey.com and she's got a valid IP from our ISP whilst being online. I went to: http://www.testmy.net and I ran a full system net speedtest, and those results were perfect. She's getting a 15MB file down at 18Mbps, and up at 4Mbps, which all things considerred, is really good! I installed a tracert utility, and the number of hops from her localhost to http://www.timewarnercable.com were phenominal. They were perfectly within acceptable range. I called Time Warner, and had them look at the modem itself. Our RF DB noise ratio on the coax line is perfect, not that that really matters in this case, per sé, being we're dealing with wifi, not direct connection, but I didn't want to not rule it out. At this point, I was unwilling to discount anything. Within the network preferences, under the wifi service, I went to advanced. In here, I looked at the dns. It's correctly on automatic, and the primary router IP is correct, the primary dns IP is showing the router's IP, and the secondary is showing Time Warner, which is 100% correct, as it should be. Her TCP/IP settings all look correct. I released, and renewed her IP, which did no good. I power cycled the router, and the modem. NO good. It's still dropping. It's better, yes, but still by no means acceptable. It's now dropping about once every 5 minutes. I went under system prefs and looked at her energy settings. Nothing is set to knock her network ability offline after being idle for X amount of time. I looked under the wins tab within advanced of the network preferences on the wifi service. I made sure that she was connected to the same workgroup as the rest of our LAN. She wasn't, so I promptly fixed that issue, then rebooted. That didn't help. I looked to see if she had turned on the firewall under system prefs security. She hadn't. I looked at the firewall internally within the router, and nothing was blocking her system at all. So, yeah, I'm totally perplexed beyond belief! I honestly am totally at my wit's end. I told her she may have to go take the thing into the Apple store, and make a Genious appointment. The only other thing I can think is that her wifi adapter itself is shotty. I dono how that could of happened so randomly, but, I guess it's hardware. Anything's possible. Again, it's the whole, is it possible? Yes. Is it probabal? NO. But short of beating the thing with a jackhammer, I don't know what else to do! Obviously, I'm kidding about the jackhammer remark. I'm not that dumb! LOL! When I made mention about this to her, and told her she may have to pay though, as she never got the Ajpple Care plan, she started her usual yelling again at me, saying how it's my fault for not telling her to get it back in the days, which of corse, newsflash! I did! teller! She just didn't wanna do it, because she thought it wasn't necessary. I told her back in the days, OK, then don't come crying to me if something breaks. She's like, nothing'll break. W'w'wail? Hmm! Gee? Gee, Gee! Really? Ya, think? How's that wifi card workin for her? LOL! I think I finally convinced her to take it in, but, God knows. By the way, I did try connecting her to another wifi network at a neighbor's house, and even there, she had this issue as well, so we definitely can rule out that it's not! our router that's the issue. Have I maybe missed something in all my frustration? Or are you all leaning to the same conclusion I am... busted wifi card. 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