On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 06:30 PM, Allan Atherton wrote:
> "Bill Holt" <billholt at iglou.com> wrote:
>> My current system setup: beige G3 rev1 mini-tower with 320 meg of
>> physical
>> ram, 6 meg of vram, the AV package, a two-port usb mounted in one of
>> the pci
>> slots, two hard drives - one scsi 9 gig which I use as the normal
>> startup
>> (95% of the time) and an ATA 80 gig with three partitions. I select
>> one of
>> the ATA partitions as the startup if I want to use my 3D cad program
>> (with a
>> set of extensions that allows it to behave nicer). All of my
>> drives/partitions are formatted as HFS+.
>> But I'm getting anxious to install OSX on my G3 ...
>> However, I have one application - absolutely required - which must
>> run on
>> system 9.1 or earlier ... Claris Cad still works pretty
>> well on 9.1.... I'm very hesitant to risk new
>> instabilities...
>> So, my basic question is, can I leave the 9 meg scsi drive as a
>> system 9.1
>> setup and install Jaguar on one of the ATA drive partitions without
>> conflicts. When running under OS-X, can you see files on an OS-9
>> drive?
>> When running OS-9, can you see files on an OS-X drive? Is the HD
>> drive
>> formatting different in OS-X than in OS-9? Would I have to reformat
>> the
>> ATA?
>
> I am running the lastest OSX on a beige G3 ex-266 desktop box. If you
> missed
> the description of the upgrades that I posted, I can email them to you.
> Here's some comments on your message:
> * You should increase the RAM to at least 512; I have 3x256. OSX works
> better with a lot of RAM, especially running Classic. At least you
> don't
> need odd low profile sticks like I did.
> * There is a chance that the USB PCI card will not work, but the one I
> bought did.
This depends on whether the card uses the Apple drivers straight up or
third party drivers that patch the system. If it uses the Apple drivers
then no problem.
The same goes for Firewire.
> * The is something called a MESH bug in the beige G3s that causes SCSI
> to
> not work with OSX. (I reboot into OS 9 to use my SCSI scanner and
> external
> drive.)
Yes and no. The same thing happens on the older unsupported ones. OS-X
reads my Jazz and zip drives just fine off of the SCSI chain, but won't
recognize the scanner.
Uh, by the way, make sure the SCSI chain IS terminated correctly. OS-X
is really picky about that.
> * For this reason, you will have to install OSX on your internal drive.
> * OSX does not support the floppy drive in a G3. Use OS9 for that.
>
If you just gotta use it, there is a UNIX driver that works with the
floppy drive. It is still beta, does work, but is so slow that you
might think the blocks are being read one bit at a time. Ryan Rempke
(the guy who wrote XPostFacto has more info about it on the web-site.
(hit version tracker.com and go from there).
> * The version of OS9 that was made to work best with OSX is 9.2.2. I
> suppose
> 9.1 will work OK.
Works just fine.
> * On a beige G3 with a partitioned drive, OSX must be installed on the
> first
> partition, which must be 8 GB or smaller and formatted in HSF+.
> * When installing OSX, you need to have an OS9 for OSX to use for
> Classic. I
> told it not to install its own OS 9.2.2 on the OSX partition, because
> that
> OS9 would have none of my third party extensions. For Classic, I told
> the
> Installer to use my OS 9.2.2 which was on its own partition, already
> loaded
> with years of extensions.
> * In your case, you are going to need to let the Installer install its
> OS9
> on your OSX partition, because it OSX won't be able to see your OS 9.1
> on
> the SCSI drive.
> * Or, maybe you can shuffle your partitons as described in my upgrade
> message. Buy a new 80 GB drive, plug it in to your CD's cables, format
> and
> partition it, make the first partition under 8 GB for OSX, copy your
> whole
> SCSI drive to the second partition. Copy the rest of your old 80 GB
> drive to
> whatever other partitions you have made. Test boot off the OS9 second
> partition, then install the new drive in place of the old drive and
> reconnect the CD. Then you are ready to install OSX on the first
> partition
> and tell it to use your OS 9.1 for Classic.
There are rumors that you can replace the floppy drive with a hd and do
this as well.
Jerry
> * When running either OSX or OS9, I can see all my partitions mounted,
> and
> can see all the files in any partition.
> * I keep all my docs in a Data partition. When an OS9 document is
> clicked
> while running OSX, my OS9 is launched as Classic and the OS9
> application
> opens the document.
> * It all works perfectly. And OSX never crashes.
>
> Allan Atherton
>
>
>
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