On 11/21/02 19:39, Bernard A Griffis wrote

>I never wanted to again respond, but this is too much. Did any of you read
>today's Courier. They caught a lot of bad guys. 

... and how many of these depended on the new rights of being able to tap 
w/o regard to privacy? How many came because of plain old-fashioned 
working through cases in a normal fashion? 

>How would you have enjoyed
>leaping from the 100th floor as some folks did? What privacy matters then?

I don't think that there are the two choices as presented by the 
president: for or against. The real question is the *necessity* of the 
invasions of privacy in order to attain the goals of keeping down 
terrorist attacks. The other question is whether the invasions of privacy 
will not be turned against citizens in a broader, less fatal way.

>How would you like to be on a plane and watch as some have their throats slit
>and sit there and fly to your death? 

What exactly does this have to do with being able to search w/o warrants 
or w/o ever stating that the police entered the building? If there is 
suspicion that a person could be part of a terrorist cell, then get a 
search warrant and turn his place over. Why sneak in, claiming national 
security, if it is so clear that there is something bad wrong?

>What would your precious privacy (as you
>call it) be worth? What about the group who attacked the terrorists and the
>plane flew into the ground/ How much privacy did they have?

This is now getting a bit irrelevant.

>Good grief folks. We live in the greatest country in the world. 

By what measure? Have you ever lived elsewhere? It may be the most 
powerful country in the world, but it is not clear that this translates 
to the greatest (as in nicest, or best) country in the world.

>Its been said the if we are ever defeated it will be from within. Does anyone 
have 
>any idea what this means? 

Haven't a clue. If 'we' are defeated, what does that mean, exactly? Us as 
Americans? I think that the concept of America would be defeated the day 
that the constitution became a worthless rag in the face of overwrought 
fear.

Bill

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