On Wednesday, February 18, 2004, at 05:32  PM, Marta Edie wrote:

> Thanks Rex and Brian - now I know and perhaps a few other ignoramuses  
> will know, too.


Hey Marta!  I resemble that remark!

This is out of the thread (??) but I have to thank Ward once again for  
the doc he sent - it's just what I needed.  Here is a copy of what he  
sent for all you font-challenged:

> Without going into a lot of detail, there is one tech document that  
> will explain most aspects of this topic in one easy to read .pdf.
>
> http://manuals.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Manuals/overview/ 
> L25032B_EN.pdf
>
> Check it out and feel free to throw follow up questions to the group.
>
> Ward
>
> Ward Oldham, MacDude
> MacTown
> 1041 Bardstown Road
> Louisville, KY ?40204
> 502-485-1243
> ward at mactown.us
> http://www.mactown.us
>

>
> On Feb 18, 2004, at 16:57, Bryan Forrest wrote:
>
>> Fixed width fonts are fonts in which every character is the same  
>> width, regardless of whether it's an i or a W. Courier is an example  
>> of a fixed width font. Other fonts are variable-width, or  
>> proportional, fonts, so you don't end up with funny spacing or  
>> cramped W's and M's. Each font takes up as much or as little space as  
>> needed to display properly.
>>
>> Bryan C. Forrest
>> Macintosh Specialist
>> LifeNet
>> http://www.lifenet.org
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2004, at 4:36 PM, Marta Edie wrote:
>>
>>> Beth, from here no answer to your question, but while we are talking  
>>> about fonts, what are fixed width fonts?
>>> Marta
>>> On Feb 18, 2004, at 15:11, Beth Ernst wrote:
>>>
>>>> While we're on the subject of fonts I have a question.
>>>>
>>>> Our company has many older postscript fonts that we use and we  
>>>> still get
>>>> them from our customers as well. While these fonts work fine in OS  
>>>> X I have
>>>> an issue with viewing and working with the contents of suitcases.  
>>>> Many times
>>>> a customer would make a custom suitcase which contained fonts we  
>>>> already had
>>>> on our system. This caused conflicts and under OS 9 I could open the
>>>> suitcase and remove the unnecessary fonts but in OS X I understand  
>>>> this is
>>>> not possible. It really slows me down when I'm in the middle of a  
>>>> project
>>>> and have to reboot my machine to check fonts. Does anyone know of an
>>>> application that allows you to view and manipulate the contents of  
>>>> font
>>>> suitcases under OS X?
>>>> -- 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>>> From: "macgroup-digest"  
>>>>> <owner-macgroup-digest at erdos.math.louisville.edu>
>>>>> Reply-To: <macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:15:01 -0500
>>>>> To: <macgroup-digest at erdos.math.louisville.edu>
>>>>> Subject: macgroup-digest V1 #425 - Bayesian Filter detected spam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> macgroup-digest       Tuesday, February 17 2004       Volume 01 :  
>>>>> Number 425
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Re: MacGroup: font question
>>>>>  Re: MacGroup: font question
>>>>>  Re: MacGroup: font question
>>>>>  MacGroup: iDVD problem
>>>>>  Re: MacGroup: iDVD problem
>>>>>  Re: MacGroup: iDVD problem
>>>>>  MacGroup: iPod minis have started shipping
>>>>> _
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:31:12 -0500
>>>>> From: Janice Weber <kyjweber at mac.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: MacGroup: font question
>>>>>
>>>>> I do want to see what each looks like, but I don't want them ALL!
>>>>> Maybe just 20 or so...
>>>>>
>>>>> There must be a way???
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>> On Monday, February 16, 2004, at 10:48  AM, Marta Edie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Live and learn, Bill. I never knew what that button actually  
>>>>>> does. Mine was
>>>>>> unchecked and when I checked it, low and behold, I saw all the  
>>>>>> fonts in their
>>>>>> pristine beauty as I see them in my other applications. Marta On  
>>>>>> Feb 16,
>>>>>> 2004, at 9:22, Bill Micou wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Jan, I don't think anyone responded to your question, and I may  
>>>>>>> not have
>>>>>>> the final answer, but I do have an idea for you.  I'm still  
>>>>>>> learning about
>>>>>>> Panther's Font Book so I don't know if the answer is there.   
>>>>>>> What I did in
>>>>>>> Appleworks to speed up changing the fonts is to go into  
>>>>>>> Preferences -
>>>>>>> general...topic - general...and under the option choice, make  
>>>>>>> sure the
>>>>>>> button for 'font menu in actual fonts' is unchecked.  This will  
>>>>>>> make it much
>>>>>>> quicker. Bill Micou
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On Feb 14, 2004, at 3:00 PM, Janice Weber wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  How do I reduce the number of fonts that show up in my apps,  
>>>>>>>> esp
>>>>>>>> AppleWorks 6.  It always takes a long time to change a font -  
>>>>>>>> and I only
>>>>>>>> use a few!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Hope you are all staying warm. Jan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  | This list's page is  
>>>>>>>> <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  | This list's page is  
>>>>>>> <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Marta
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  | This list's page is  
>>>>>> <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> | This list's page is <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>.
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:54:07 -0500
>>>>> From: Marta Edie <mledie at insightbb.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: MacGroup: font question
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: The following section was composed using a keyboard  
>>>>> (ISO-8859-1;
>>>>> format=flowed)
>>>>> that uses characters other than those in the US-ASCII character  
>>>>> set. Some
>>>>> characters may not be displayed properly when you view this  
>>>>> message.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Janice, there is a way. Check Applications>Fontbook. there are all  
>>>>> the
>>>>> available fonts listed under different categories. You can delete  
>>>>> fonts
>>>>> you do not want or, what seems better, disable them. I haven't
>>>>> experimented with them, but it is there where you get rid of those
>>>>> fonts you don't want to show up, in order to speed up changing  
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marta
>>>>> On Feb 16, 2004, at 18:31, Janice Weber wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  I do want to see what each looks like, but I don't want them  
>>>>>> ALL!  Maybe
>>>>>> just 20 or so...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  There must be a way???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Jan On Monday, February 16, 2004, at 10:48  AM, Marta Edie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Live and learn, Bill. I never knew what that button actually  
>>>>>>> does. Mine was
>>>>>>> unchecked and when I checked it, low and behold, I saw all the  
>>>>>>> fonts in
>>>>>>> their pristine beauty as I see them in my other applications.  
>>>>>>> Marta On Feb
>>>>>>> 16, 2004, at 9:22, Bill Micou wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Jan, I don't think anyone responded to your question, and I  
>>>>>>>> may not have
>>>>>>>> the final answer, but I do have an idea for you.  I'm still  
>>>>>>>> learning about
>>>>>>>> Panther's Font Book so I don't know if the answer is there.   
>>>>>>>> What I did in
>>>>>>>> Appleworks to speed up changing the fonts is to go into  
>>>>>>>> Preferences -
>>>>>>>> general...topic - general...and under the option choice, make  
>>>>>>>> sure the
>>>>>>>> button for 'font menu in actual fonts' is unchecked.  This will  
>>>>>>>> make it
>>>>>>>> much quicker. Bill Micou
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On Feb 14, 2004, at 3:00 PM, Janice Weber wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  How do I reduce the number of fonts that show up in my apps,  
>>>>>>>>> esp
>>>>>>>>> AppleWorks 6.  It always takes a long time to change a font -  
>>>>>>>>> and I only
>>>>>>>>> use a few!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Hope you are all staying warm. Jan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  | This list's page is  
>>>>>>>>> <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  | This list's page is  
>>>>>>>> <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Marta
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  | This list's page is  
>>>>>>> <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  | This list's page is  
>>>>>> <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Marta
>>>>>          Heinzelm?nnchenk?nigin a.D.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> | This list's page is <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>.
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:59:01 -0500
>>>>> From: Marta Edie <mledie at insightbb.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: MacGroup: font question
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. I am running OSX Panther. I am not sure whether the fontbook   
>>>>> is
>>>>> available in the other OSX versions.
>>>>> Marta
>>>>> On Feb 16, 2004, at 18:31, Janice Weber wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  I do want to see what each looks like, but I don't want them  
>>>>>> ALL!  Maybe
>>>>>> just 20 or so...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  There must be a way???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Jan On Monday, February 16, 2004, at 10:48  AM, Marta Edie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Live and learn, Bill. I never knew what that button actually  
>>>>>>> does. Mine was
>>>>>>> unchecked and when I checked it, low and behold, I saw all the  
>>>>>>> fonts in
>>>>>>> their pristine beauty as I see them in my other applications.  
>>>>>>> Marta On Feb
>>>>>>> 16, 2004, at 9:22, Bill Micou wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Jan, I don't think anyone responded to your question, and I  
>>>>>>>> may not have
>>>>>>>> the final answer, but I do have an idea for you.  I'm still  
>>>>>>>> learning about
>>>>>>>> Panther's Font Book so I don't know if the answer is there.   
>>>>>>>> What I did in
>>>>>>>> Appleworks to speed up changing the fonts is to go into  
>>>>>>>> Preferences -
>>>>>>>> general...topic - general...and under the option choice, make  
>>>>>>>> sure the
>>>>>>>> button for 'font menu in actual fonts' is unchecked.  This will  
>>>>>>>> make it
>>>>>>>> much quicker. Bill Micou
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On Feb 14, 2004, at 3:00 PM, Janice Weber wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  How do I reduce the number of fonts that show up in my apps,  
>>>>>>>>> esp
>>>>>>>>> AppleWorks 6.  It always takes a long time to change a font -  
>>>>>>>>> and I only
>>>>>>>>> use a few!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Hope you are all staying warm. Jan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  | This list's page is  
>>>>>>>>> <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  | This list's page is  
>>>>>>>> <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Marta
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  | This list's page is  
>>>>>>> <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  | This list's page is  
>>>>>> <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Marta
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> | This list's page is <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>.
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:20:17 -0500
>>>>> From: "Robert M. Klein" <robert at kleinlawyer.com>
>>>>> Subject: MacGroup: iDVD problem
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to burn my first DVD using iDVD and iMovie.  It's an  
>>>>> 18 minute
>>>>> movie with about 170 clips, and I got it all into iDVD program OK.  
>>>>> Here's
>>>>> the problem, and I hope someone can help me (iDVD help is a joke):  
>>>>>  It gets
>>>>> to step 4, matrixing (?) and burning and gets stuck there.  It ran  
>>>>> for 8
>>>>> hours last night stuck on step 4.  I'm using the latest iLife  
>>>>> versions, OS
>>>>> 10.3, and a G5.
>>>>>
>>>>> Naturally, it's a project that I have spent about 30 hours on and  
>>>>> I have to
>>>>> have it done now!
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.  If you are reading this  
>>>>> after 5 pm
>>>>> today, please reply offline, as I get the digest version and I  
>>>>> can't waste
>>>>> another day (I promise to share everything with the list).  Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:59:10 -0500
>>>>> From: Ward Oldham <woldham at insightbb.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: MacGroup: iDVD problem
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: The following section was composed using a keyboard  
>>>>> ("ISO-8859-1")
>>>>> that uses characters other than those in the US-ASCII character  
>>>>> set. Some
>>>>> characters may not be displayed properly when you view this  
>>>>> message.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Robert,
>>>>>
>>>>> We run into similar problems often. The most common cures are to  
>>>>> disable
>>>>> everything in your energy saver system preference i.e. set sleep  
>>>>> to never
>>>>> and hard disk spin down to never.  Don't let your screen go to  
>>>>> sleep either.
>>>>> Also, screen effects needs to be set to never as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> If that doesn't cure your problem, switch to Apple branded DVD-Rs  
>>>>> as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ward
>>>>>
>>>>> Ward Oldham, MacDude
>>>>> MacTown
>>>>> 1041 Bardstown Road
>>>>> Louisville, KY  40204
>>>>> 502-485-1243
>>>>> ward at mactown.us
>>>>> http://www.mactown.us
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Robert M. Klein" <robert at kleinlawyer.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu
>>>>> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:20:17 -0500
>>>>> To: <macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu>
>>>>> Subject: MacGroup: iDVD problem
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to burn my first DVD using iDVD and iMovie.  It's an  
>>>>> 18 minute
>>>>> movie with about 170 clips, and I got it all into iDVD program OK.  
>>>>> Here's
>>>>> the problem, and I hope someone can help me (iDVD help is a joke):  
>>>>>  It gets
>>>>> to step 4, matrixing (?) and burning and gets stuck there.  It ran  
>>>>> for 8
>>>>> hours last night stuck on step 4.  I'm using the latest iLife  
>>>>> versions, OS
>>>>> 10.3, and a G5.
>>>>>
>>>>> Naturally, it's a project that I have spent about 30 hours on and  
>>>>> I have to
>>>>> have it done now!
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.  If you are reading this  
>>>>> after 5 pm
>>>>> today, please reply offline, as I get the digest version and I  
>>>>> can't waste
>>>>> another day (I promise to share everything with the list).  Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:04:59 -0500
>>>>> From: John Robinson <profile at aye.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: MacGroup: iDVD problem
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: The following section was composed using a keyboard  
>>>>> (WINDOWS-1252;)
>>>>> that uses characters other than those in the US-ASCII character  
>>>>> set. Some
>>>>> characters may not be displayed properly when you view this  
>>>>> message.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>
>>>>> My kids are going nuts with this, developing into a nice business,  
>>>>> but
>>>>> they have learned that the media is the main ingredient.  They  
>>>>> have had
>>>>> problems with various brands, but have found the Apple works well  
>>>>> aswell as
>>>>> another (sorry I don't know what it is, I could check with them
>>>>> if someone else doesn't have a suggestion).  They have not done  
>>>>> allthat Ward
>>>>> says, so it may be just the media, but try Ward'ssuggestions, he  
>>>>> usually
>>>>> knows.
>>>>>
>>>>> John R.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 17, 2004, at 9:59 AM, Ward Oldham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Robert,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  We run into similar problems often. The most common cures are to  
>>>>>> disable
>>>>>> everything in your energy saver system preference i.e. set sleep  
>>>>>> to never and
>>>>>> hard disk spin down to never.  Don't let your screen go to sleep  
>>>>>> either.
>>>>>> Also, screen effects needs to be set to never as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  If that doesn't cure your problem, switch to Apple branded  
>>>>>> DVD-Rs as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Ward
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Ward Oldham, MacDude  MacTown  1041 Bardstown Road  Louisville,  
>>>>>> KY  40204
>>>>>> 502-485-1243  ward at mactown.us http://www.mactown.us
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  From: "Robert M. Klein" <robert at kleinlawyer.com> Reply-To:
>>>>>> macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004  
>>>>>> 09:20:17 -0500 To:
>>>>>> <macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu> Subject: MacGroup: iDVD  
>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I am trying to burn my first DVD using iDVD and iMovie.  It's an  
>>>>>> 18 minute
>>>>>> movie with about 170 clips, and I got it all into iDVD program  
>>>>>> OK. Here's the
>>>>>> problem, and I hope someone can help me (iDVD help is a joke):   
>>>>>> It gets to
>>>>>> step 4, matrixing (?) and burning and gets stuck there.  It ran  
>>>>>> for 8 hours
>>>>>> last night stuck on step 4.  I'm using the latest iLife versions,  
>>>>>> OS 10.3,
>>>>>> and a G5.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Naturally, it's a project that I have spent about 30 hours on  
>>>>>> and I have to
>>>>>> have it done now!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.  If you are reading this  
>>>>>> after 5 pm
>>>>>> today, please reply offline, as I get the digest version and I  
>>>>>> can't waste
>>>>>> another day (I promise to share everything with the list).   
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Robert
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:41:38 -0800
>>>>> From: Rex Baldazo <Rex.Baldazo at cnet.com>
>>>>> Subject: MacGroup: iPod minis have started shipping
>>>>>
>>>>> In case anyone had pre-ordered one of these bad boys, they have  
>>>>> apparently
>>>>> started shipping the iPod minis:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-5160249.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Should hit retail shelves this Friday, though I would assume the  
>>>>> initial
>>>>> shipment is probably already spoken for.
>>>>>
>>>>> - --- Rex.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> | This list's page is <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>.
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> End of macgroup-digest V1 #425
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