Nelson,

Thank you so much for this comprehensive re-cap.

And, thanks, Dan, for the good program on backing up.

I also use an excellent backup program called DATA BACKUP from  
Prosoft Engineering. http://www.prosoftengineering.com/products/ 
data_backup_info.php

One user is $59 and it goes up from there. I like it because it is so  
easy to use. Data Backup 2.1 supports OS X 10.4, 10.3 and OS X 10.2  
on PowerPC Macintoshes and OS X 10.4 on Intel Macintoshes.

Their Web site says: You can backup to or restore from any mounted  
drive including CD, DVD, ATA, SCSI, FireWire, USB, or networked volumes.

They provide a free demo.

Cheers!
Jane Blake Acree

On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:53 PM, Nelsn Helm wrote:

> Please correct errors!
>
> MUG
> Backing Up to an External Disk Drive
> Dan Crutcher & attendees
> September 26, 2006
>
> Notes plus some ideas original & not mentioned at the meeting.
>
> 1. Laptops get stolen, so back them up often. You can prevent most  
> thieves from reading your stuff by setting the operating system NOT  
> to automatically log you in when you turn the computer on. See:  
> System Preferences/ Security/ Automatic Log-in.  When you set  
> computer so, the turner-oner is presented with two blanks, one for  
> the user name and the other for the password, and no clues about  
> either.
>
> 2. Uninteruptable Power Supply: i.e. a battery between your  
> computer and the wall outlet keeps your computer from stopping in  
> the middle of critical tasks, and may protect it from power surges.
>
> 3. But, during thunderstorms, disconnect your computer from power,  
> cable and telefone lines anyway.
>
> 4. Similarly, why keep your back-up HD connected when it's not  
> backing up.
>
> 5. You need not only a back-up, but an off-site back-up, so when  
> the house burns down...
>
> 6. So your hard disk fails. No sweat. You attach your external HD.  
> Then the same problem that fried the first HD fries the second.  
> What now?  Consider having three back-ups, with one at home and one  
> away and one in transit or connected to your computer. Rotate them;  
> overwrite the oldest with the new.
>
> 7. Consider encrypting your back-ups.
>
>
> BACK-UP WHAT??
>
> Most programs that make copies, including Mac OS X, will not copy  
> all files. Some files are protected by the system, or by the  
> authors to prevent unauthorized duplication. If you buy an external  
> HD and copy your internal HD onto it, likely you will NOT be able  
> to boot from the external drive. This may relate to "permissions".  
> You can change permissions on any file by hitting [command] [i] and  
> checking boxes for read only, or read and write, or whatever, but  
> DON'T DO IT. Doing so may really mess up your computer. If you feel  
> you must, make a copy of the file to be copied. Move it to the  
> desktop. Change it's permissions. Copy it as desired, then delete it.
>
> That said, those files don't change often, and need not be backed  
> up weekly.
>
> "Hot" (frequently changing) files are mostly data files which can  
> be easily copied. So, many persons just back-up their Home folder:   
> USERS/ YourUserName. That typically will protect your pictures,  
> documents, music & movies, but not your programs, settings,  
> preferences, etc., and does not make a bootable back-up.
>
>
> BACK-UP TO WHERE?
>
> .Mac includes some storage space, but many fewer gb than your HD,  
> and backing up over the internet is _s_l_o_w_, altho if you do it  
> while asleep, who cares. Some back-up their email daily, or most  
> precious files only.
>
> CD's make a non-magnetic back-up, but you must sit next to the  
> computer and put a new one in every 20+/- minutes. When you're  
> filling 20 CDs, 13g+/-, that's a long time to sit by the computer.  
> CDs do not cost much, but cannot be re-used, so you must keep  
> buying more. I have a back-up of over 350 CDs. (see 3. below). But,  
> not being able to re-use CDs also means that when you attempt to  
> restore from them, you do not risk erasing them (as you do with  
> magnetic media). Re-writable CDs are not reliable; do not use them.
>
> DVDs hold something like 10x as much as CDs, so you need not sit by  
> the computer changing them every 20 minutes, but writing on them  
> takes longer. If you leave your computer backing up to a DVD and go  
> to bed, who cares whether it's fast or slow. Like CDs, DVDs do not  
> cost much, but cannot be re-used. You must keep buying more. Not  
> being able to re-use DVDs also means that when you attempt to  
> restore from them, you do not risk erasing them (as you do with  
> magnetic media).
>
> EXPECT soon products that will hold much more than DVDs, e.g. BlueRay.
>
> TAPE drives are expensive and temperamental, and intended for  
> backing up many computers over a network. Retrospect, qv, was  
> written to do this.
>
> EXTERNAL HARD DRIVEs now cost about 2gb/$1, and unlike CDs & DVDs  
> can be reliably erased & re-used. Newer Macs use Firewire. PCs  
> mostly use USB2. You can buy HD's with USB2, or for $10 more, with  
> Firewire, or both. If you plan to use the HD with both PCs and  
> Macs, buy a HD with both.  Any HD is capable of writing data faster  
> than CDs & DVDs. All in all, an external HD seems the quickest,  
> easiest, cheapest solution. NB: USB, which Macs have, (not USB2) is  
> _s_l_o_w_ and UNSUITABLE for backing up gigabytes. [Firewire box +  
> parallel ATA]
>
>
> BACKING-UP HOW?
>
> 1. Start by backing up everything, making a simple "mirror image"  
> of your current boot disk. Note: many programs cannot make a  
> bootable copy, even tho they look as if they're backing up everything.
>
> Most then switch to
>
> 2. INCREMENTAL back-ups copy only files that have changed since the  
> last back-up, which is certainly cheaper and faster than copying  
> everything every time. I can imagine two ways to do this:
>
>         a) keep the old back-ups and add the newer editions, so  
> that everything that was ever on your computer is now available to  
> you, even tho you erased it from your computer a month ago. This  
> may not reproduce your folder structure, and may spread files  
> adjacent on your computer into many different folders. This is  
> common, perhaps the norm, and leads to #3.
>
>         b) over-write edited old files with their newer editions,  
> making a "mirror image" like #1, without having to copy everything.  
> I'm sure some programs do this, but I don't know which and cannot  
> name one.
>
> 3. Doing this builds a back-up many times larger than the HD backed  
> up. After a while, the incremental files grow and get cumbersome,  
> so most persons REPEAT #1, then delete previous back-ups and  
> incremental back-ups. Then #2a make incremental back-ups, then #3  
> start over.
>
> SYNCRONIZING differs from backing up, by writing on both HDs. It  
> puts the newer files on either HD on the other, over-writing any  
> older version.
>
>
> BACK-UP PROGRAMS
>
> BACK-UP comes from Apple with a (dot)Mac subscription, and backs up  
> to most media (likely not tape) and to (dot)Mac. It copies from the  
> internal HD, but I could not figure out how to use it to back-up  
> from one external HD to another. You can schedule it to back-up any  
> time you want, e.g. 3:00 A.M.
>
> CARBON COPY CLONER: donationware ($5 suggested), can make a  
> bootable disk image, either an "exact" or a "sparse" copy of any  
> bootable disk. http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html
>
> CHRONOSYNC "file & folder synchronization & backup for Mac OS X,  
> automatically synchronizes files & foldrs between your laptop and  
> desktop volumes or schedule automatic simple backups of important  
> files, $30 "at http://www.econtechnologies.com/site/index.html was  
> recommended, but I missed the details.
>
> RETROSPECT, was long considered "the best," but some up-dates have  
> made problems. At least four persons at the meeting "used to use"  
> Retrospect, but do not any more. It lets you select files to copy  
> (or not to copy), e.g. don't copy files whose names contain "cache"  
> or "trash", or files in folders with similar names, saving time,  
> media, etc. After making a back-up, it will, if asked, compare the  
> new with the old and report errors. Very useful. Very slow. Tape  
> decks require complicated drivers, because the tape must be moving  
> at the specified speed for writing and reading. The tape drive may  
> periodically have to stop. When it does, it must rewind slightly  
> and get a running start, so that when the critical spot on the tape  
> passes the read/write head, it does so at the right speed.  
> Retrospect runs tape drives as well as other media, and costs much,  
> as do tape drives. Tape, however, is cheap and re-usable. Unless  
> you're running many computers on a network, forget it.
>
> RETROSPECT EXPRESS does not write to tape, but does write to other  
> media. If it lets you select categories of files to copy (or not),  
> I have not found how to do it.  It will, however, compare the new  
> with the old and report errors. Very useful. Very slow.  
> Nonetheless, it's a cheap program which allows you to make back-ups  
> described in both #1 and #2a above. I do not know whether it's back- 
> ups can be booted. available as part of CheckIt System Performance  
> Suite from Allume. including SpringCleaning?, TechTool? Platinum,  
> Retrospect Express? "regularly $100, but often on sale for $80
>
> SILVER_KEEPER, free from LaCie at ? silverkeeper.com, lets you  
> schedule total or incremental backups to any HD, & presumably CDs,  
> DVDs. http://www.lacie.com/silverkeeper/
>
> SUPER-DUPER: shareware costing about $27.95, lets you schedule  
> total bootable backups, or incremental backups. Recommended by a  
> user. http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/ 
> SuperDuperDescription.html
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