You are correct. I guess bottom line is I just see any additional
restrictions as a bad thing - coupled with ain't broke don't fix mentality.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Peter J. Farrell <[email protected]>wrote:

>  Actually Dave, nothing in GPL forces you to contribute it back to the
> framework.  The only things it forces you to do is that if you want to
> *publicly distribute* a "patched" version of the framework -- you would need
> to do so under the GPL.  There is not patch police in the GPL.  No
> contractual obligations would be broken.  Anybody can freely modify the
> framework to their hearts content (not that modifying it is a good idea)
> without the burden of having to release it to the public.  GPL does not
> restrict *any* internal usage of a modified version of the framework -- it
> just states what you must do if you want to publicly release a modified
> version.
>
> .pjf
>
> Dave Ross said the following on 10/15/2009 10:04 AM:
>
> My view is that OSS is self-governing when projects/communities are of
> mach-ii size.
>
> Lets say I had to patch mach-ii for whatever reason. GPL forces me to
> contribute that patch back. Most nice guys probably would do so anyways.
>
> What if:
>
> a) I was forbidden to do that based on some other contractual obligation.
> b) I wasn't feeling nice.
>
> GPL forces me to be nice. I don't like being forced. What dissuades me from
> patching the framework is that it's a standard framework, and the moment I
> touch it I'm no longer using Mach-II. You don't need a license to keep
> people from being stupid.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Matthew Woodward 
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:24:29 -0400, Dave Ross <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > Going to a copyleft license means more thought process involved on the
>> part
>> > of developers and organizations in how the framework is used (although
>> the
>> > majority of use will comply with the GPL v3).
>>
>>  Thanks Dave--curious specifically what you mean here. With the classpath
>> exception it seems to me the only additional thought process in terms of
>> how they use it would be if Mach-II is being modified; otherwise it
>> shouldn't matter to anyone.
>>
>> > The only positive is the ability to incorporate other GPL-licensed code
>> > into
>> > the framework, but I just see that as very unlikely at this time.
>>
>>  But you never know. We don't have anything specific in mind at this
>> point,
>> however.
>>
>> And I don't see that as the only positive by any means. Admittedly part of
>> this decision is a philosophical one, and it's certainly not being made
>> because we're scared someone is going to fork Mach-II. After discussing
>> things we simply think this license makes more sense for this type of
>> project, and at least from our perspective the downsides are non-existent
>> in terms of how Mach-II can be used.
>>
>> Also given the features we have planned for 1.9 and 2.0 we'd like to
>> better
>> foster a community of contributions for add-ons (for lack of a better term
>> at this point), and we feel a GPL-style license is a better way to allow
>> that to happen.
>>
>> All this being said, we absolutely want to hear from users to whom this
>> will have an impact that we're just not seeing at this point, so if
>> there's
>> a specific case we're perhaps not considering, please let us know.
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback--much appreciated.
>> --
>>  Matthew Woodward
>> [email protected]
>> http://mpwoodward.posterous.com
>> identi.ca/Twitter: @mpwoodward
>>
>> Please do not send me proprietary file formats such as Word, PowerPoint,
>> etc. as attachments.
>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> >
>

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