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On Tuesday, 20 August 2019 19:50:53 UTC+2, Michael Brown wrote:
>
> Ups Sorry sorry sorry ... my BAD .... (Suddently my biain kicked in :-) )
> I should have spotted it immediately.
> Culprit is due to my single experimental (verilog) added capasitive 
> depth/touch sensor core.
> This is not a part of the "original mesa hm2 vhdl config system, and the 
> pins are hardwired to:
>  GPIO_1 pins 00 + num sense parameter. (if that exact core is enabled in 
> config file)
> ---
> Solution is very simple:
> edit mksocfpga/HW/hm2/config/DExx_Nano_xxx_Cramps/
> atlas_st_fpga_soc_dc1f_ss.sv
> -->     parameter Capsense          = 0;
>  
> I have tested with:
>         (StepGenTag,    x"02",  ClockLowTag,    x"06",  
> StepGenRateAddr&PadT,       StepGenNumRegs,     x"00",  StepGenMPBitMask),
>
> and all 
> SRL16E:\steptable:1:asr16e 4.2 (0.0) 8.5 (0.0) 4.3 (0.0) 0.0 (0.0) 0.0 
> (0.0) 5 (0) 17 (0) 0 (0) 0 0 0 0 0 
> entities show up populated.
> :-)
> once again excuse for my temporary brain paralysys..
> ...
>
> On Tuesday, 20 August 2019 16:30:50 UTC+2, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
>>
>> Dig through the synthesis log (*.map.rpt) a bit and look for warnings 
>> that indicate undriven nets.  Sadly, most tool chains consider 
>> undriven signals a warning vs. an error, so they'll happily optimize 
>> away huge chunks of your design.  A typical warning would look 
>> something like: 
>>
>> Warning (10541): VHDL Signal Declaration warning at 
>> HD_Core_CycloneV_pipen1b.vhd(45): used implicit default value for 
>> signal "clk250_out" because signal was never assigned a value or an 
>> explicit default value. Use of implicit default value may introduce 
>> unintended design optimizations. 
>>
>> In vim, I use the regex: ^Warning.*$ which highlights the whole line 
>> (if you're in GUI mode). 
>>
>> Note you will see lots of other warnings, most of which are probably 
>> OK.  In particular, the ever present: 
>>
>> Warning (10036): Verilog HDL or VHDL warning at 
>> HD_Core_CycloneV.vhd(471): object "HDMI_clk" assigned a value but 
>> never read 
>>
>> ...is (usually) perfectly OK, it's similar to an unused variable in 
>> "C".  This _might_ be an actual error (if the signal was supposed to 
>> go somewhere) but is typically OK. 
>>
>> On 8/20/2019 9:09 AM, justin White wrote: 
>> > Thanks for the advice Charles. Actually I use this project: 
>> > 
>> https://github.com/machinekit/mksocfpga/tree/master/HW/QuartusProjects/DE10_Nano_FB_Cramps
>>  
>> > 
>> > Michael explained it has more functionallity than the DB25 project, so 
>> I've 
>> > never tried the DB25. 
>> > 
>> > Not really up on my git stuff, I forked master and slapped my config 
>> files 
>> > in, like I said these are modifications of the "3x24_cap_enc" config. 
>> > https://github.com/blazini36/mksocfpga 
>> > 
>> > The pin assignments are so different from anything else I can't imagine 
>> > it's looking at another pinfile, it's likely I just didn't modify 
>> something 
>> > I probably should have. I'll try to look into your suggestions a bit 
>> later. 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 9:41:57 AM UTC-4, Charles Steinkuehler 
>> wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> It sounds like the synthesis tools are optimizing away the stepgen 
>> >> logic, almost certainly because of an issue with signal connectivity 
>> >> to the top level I/O pins.  The actual step accumulator is still 
>> >> generated because it's value gets read back via the register 
>> >> interface, but the steptables are only needed to generate the output 
>> >> signals so they're getting optimized away. 
>> >> 
>> >> Is your project checked into github somewhere I can grab it?  I can 
>> >> try building in the desktop Quartus tools and see what's wrong. 
>> >> 
>> >> Otherwise, double-check the pin assignments the top-level I/O port 
>> >> definitions, and make sure the physical I/O pins are properly 
>> >> connected to the hm2 instance. 
>> >> 
>> >> I took a quick look at the project I think you're using: 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> https://github.com/machinekit/mksocfpga/blob/master/HW/QuartusProjects/DE10_Nano_SoC_FB_DB25/
>>  
>> >> 
>> >> ...and the top-level stuff looks OK at first glance.  The important 
>> >> part is the use of the correct PIN_<config> library, which gets called 
>> >> out here: 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> https://github.com/machinekit/mksocfpga/blob/master/HW/QuartusProjects/DE10_Nano_SoC_FB_DB25/hostmot2_cfg.vhd.in#L74
>>  
>> >> 
>> >> Make sure in your working copy the hostmot2_cfg.vhd file is getting 
>> >> generated with the correct name in the "use" line, and make sure the 
>> >> pin file you're including in the project has proper values for IOWidth 
>> >> and IOPorts. 
>> >> 
>> >> You can dig through the first part of the compile log messages to 
>> >> verify the correct PIN file is _really_ getting analyzed and not some 
>> >> other file. 
>> >> 
>> >> I'm also not sure how mixing the system verilog config files with VHDL 
>> >> packages works (I know just enough Verilog to generally be able to 
>> >> transcode it to VHDL).  If there's any problems with that, Michael B. 
>> >> will have to comment. 
>> >> 
>> >> On 8/20/2019 8:04 AM, justin White wrote: 
>> >>> I deleted my mksocfpga directory and re-pulled it and I get the same 
>> >>> results after building the .rbf. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Still not quite sure what's going on, though I did catch something in 
>> >>> Quartus. Using "0A" for stepgens in the pinfile  creates 10 stepgens, 
>> >> but 
>> >>> only the first 4 seem to be complete. #4 (the 5th stepgen) when 
>> expanded 
>> >>> shows blank resources for "SRL16E:\steptable:0:asr16e", but does show 
>> >>> resources for "SRL16E:\steptable:1:asr16e". On every stepgen after 
>> they 
>> >> are 
>> >>> both blank which looks like it mimics exactly the problem I'm having. 
>> If 
>> >>  "steptable:1" 
>> >>> relates to the dir pin and "steptable:0" relates to the step pin, it 
>> >>> explains why I have a working direction pin on #4 but no step pin, 
>> and 
>> >> #5 
>> >>> doesn't work at all. In this case I'd assume no later stepgens would 
>> >> work. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> I'm not really sure how Quartus works with the configs. I'm just 
>> >> dropping 
>> >>> the pinfile I made into the 
>> >>> '../mksocfpga/HW/hm2/config/DExx_Nano_xxx_Cramps' directory and 
>> renaming 
>> >>> the "atlas_3x24_cap_enc.sv" to match my pinfile, which is what I do 
>> >> with 
>> >>> the mksocfpga docker build. I don't specify a pinfile or anything 
>> when 
>> >>> running the analysis in Quartus, yet it does seem to catch the 
>> changes 
>> >> I've 
>> >>> made to that specific pinfile even though I don't specify anything in 
>> >>> Quartus, I just load the "DE10_Nano_FB_Cramps.qpf" file. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Pics, QP1 shows all 10 stepgens, QP2 shows the difference between the 
>> >>> working #3 stepgen (0-3 all look the same) and #4 and #5 where the 
>> >> problem 
>> >>> starts. "combinational ALUTS" and every feild after is blank. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> [image: QP1.png] 
>> >>> 
>> >>> [image: QP2.png] 
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 5:00:11 PM UTC-4, Michael Brown wrote: 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Thanx for the clairifying Charles, I doublechecked tha line and it 
>> >> reads: 
>> >>>>         (StepGenTag,    x"02",  ClockLowTag,    x"06",   
>> >>>> StepGenRateAddr&PadT,       StepGenNumRegs,     x"00", 
>> >>  StepGenMPBitMask), 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> So that should be ok... 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> On Monday, 19 August 2019 22:37:42 UTC+2, Charles Steinkuehler 
>> wrote: 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Actually, the NumInstances field of the ModuleRecord is defined as 
>> an 
>> >>>>> 8 bit std_logic_vector: 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >> 
>> https://github.com/machinekit/mksocfpga/blob/master/HW/hm2/config/IDROMConst.vhd#L839
>>  
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> In VHDL, it should throw an error if you use 06 for this value 
>> (VHDL 
>> >>>>> won't convert an integer value into a std_logic_vector without some 
>> >>>>> sort of type conversion). 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> If you meant that you are using x"06" (an 8-bit hexadecimal value), 
>> >>>>> that should work fine, but you will only get 6 stepgens instead of 
>> the 
>> >>>>> 10 you'd get with x"0A". 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> On 8/19/2019 3:19 PM, Michael Brown wrote: 
>> >>>>>> No changing numinst should work just fine 
>> >>>>>> 
>> >>>>>> On Monday, 19 August 2019 18:05:28 UTC+2, justin White wrote: 
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> One thing I noticed, I recall seeing this the first time I 
>> started 
>> >>>>> messing 
>> >>>>>>> with the .vhd's. All of the pinfiles in the DExx_Nano_xxx_Cramps 
>> >>>>> config use 
>> >>>>>>> this line for stepgens 
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>         (StepGenTag,    x"02",  ClockLowTag,    x"0A", 
>> >>>>>  StepGenRateAddr& 
>> >>>>>>> PadT,       StepGenNumRegs,     x"00",  StepGenMPBitMask), 
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> The NumInst being "0A" looked a little strange to me so I changed 
>> it 
>> >>>>> to 
>> >>>>>>> the actual number (06) for every pinfile I've been working with. 
>> >> Could 
>> >>>>> that 
>> >>>>>>> be causing an issue? 
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 11:33:29 AM UTC-4, justin White 
>> wrote: 
>> >>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, 19 August 2019 13:24:22 UTC+2, Michael Brown wrote: 
>> >>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>> I have an older config that has worked with 8 stepgens: 
>> >>>>>>>>>> hm2_soc_ol config line here: 
>> >>>>>>>>>> < 
>> >>>>> 
>> >> 
>> https://github.com/the-snowwhite/Hm2-soc_FDM/blob/master/Cramps/PY/Mibrap-X_hm3_fdm-soc/fdm/config/motion.py#L15>
>>  
>>
>> >> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>> Have you tried with: 
>> >>>>>>>>>>   num_stepgens=6  in the hm2_soc_ol config line ? 
>> >>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> Yes, my  config line is: 
>> >>>>>>>> [HOSTMOT2] 
>> >>>>>>>> DRIVER=hm2_soc_ol 
>> >>>>>>>> BOARD=5i25 
>> >>>>>>>> CONFIG="num_encoders=6 num_stepgens=6" "enable_adc=1" 
>> >>>>>>>> DEVNAME=hm2-socfpga0 already_programmed=1 
>> >>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> If the stepgens=6 wasn't there hm2 wouldn't instantiate them in 
>> >> HAL. 
>> >>>>> They 
>> >>>>>>>> are actually completely visible and HAL seems to think they're 
>> >>>>> working. I 
>> >>>>>>>> dug up one of my first test hal files and #4 did in fact work 
>> with 
>> >>>>> that but 
>> >>>>>>>> I had much less else going on. 
>> >>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> I'm not terribly familiar with Quartus. I usually just do as in 
>> the 
>> >>>>>>>> readme https://github.com/the-snowwhite/mksocfpga to build the 
>> >>>>> firmware. 
>> >>>>>>>> I did have an issue before where it was building firmware that 
>> >>>>> wouldn't 
>> >>>>>>>> boot, deleting mksocfpga and pulling it again fixed that. That 
>> may 
>> >>>>> even 
>> >>>>>>>> have had something to do with trying to open the project 
>> >> previously. 
>> >>>>> Ill 
>> >>>>>>>> try re-pulling it and see what happens. 
>> >>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> I ran the analysis in in QP and this is what  I'm seeing with 
>> the 
>> >>>>>>>> stepgens: 
>> >>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> [image: QP.png] 
>> >>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 7:46:58 AM UTC-4, Michael Brown 
>> >> wrote: 
>> >>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>> Quartus Update: 
>> >>>>>>>>> After compiling (the default DE10_Nano_FB_Cramps project) 
>> Notice 
>> >>>>> that 
>> >>>>>>>>> all 9 (0-8) stepgens instansiated in the pin file have a (not 
>> >> null) 
>> >>>>> sized 
>> >>>>>>>>> SRL16E:\steptable:0:asr16e instance: 
>> >>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>> [image: Quartus_DE10_Nano_FB_Default_Num-Stepgens_Compiled.png] 
>> >>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, 19 August 2019 13:24:22 UTC+2, Michael Brown wrote: 
>> >>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>> I have an older config that has worked with 8 stepgens: 
>> >>>>>>>>>> hm2_soc_ol config line here: 
>> >>>>>>>>>> < 
>> >>>>> 
>> >> 
>> https://github.com/the-snowwhite/Hm2-soc_FDM/blob/master/Cramps/PY/Mibrap-X_hm3_fdm-soc/fdm/config/motion.py#L15>
>>  
>>
>> >> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>> Have you tried with: 
>> >>>>>>>>>>   num_stepgens=6  in the hm2_soc_ol config line ? 
>> >>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>> Also You can look in the Compiled (Or after analysis & 
>> >> elaboration) 
>> >>>>>>>>>> Quartus project and see how many stepgens are elaborated like 
>> in 
>> >>>>> below pic: 
>> >>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>> [image: Quartus_Num_Stepgens.png] 
>> >>>>>>>>>>   
>> >>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 19 August 2019 00:31:53 UTC+2, justin White wrote: 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> The hal component did work fine then my friend "cleaned it 
>> up" 
>> >> and 
>> >>>>> it 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> acts weird when you enable the filter. Could just remove the 
>> >>>>> filter pin and 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> post it but it is rather handy. 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've been tracking down an issue with the stepgens and 
>> depending 
>> >>>>> on 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> what the issue is it may be part of the smart serial issue. I 
>> >> have 
>> >>>>> 4 out of 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 6 stepgens that work, on my 5th stepgen only the direction 
>> pin 
>> >>>>> works, not 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the step pin. Neither work on the 6th stepgen.  I disabled SS 
>> >> for 
>> >>>>> the time 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> being but it was using consecutive pins with the 5th and 6th 
>> >>>>> stepgens. It 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> was difficult to see what was going on until I got my GUI 
>> setup. 
>> >>>>> Now I can 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> see that in hal it is actually working and I'm getting 
>> feedback 
>> >> to 
>> >>>>> the PID 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> loop but the pins of the Nano itself do not electrically do 
>> >>>>> anything, I can 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> verify that with my scope. Thinking maybe I damaged the GPIO 
>> >> pins 
>> >>>>>  from all 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the hardware swapping I've been doing, I picked up another 
>> DE10 
>> >>>>> Nano and 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the same thing happens. I tried swapping stepgen instance 0,1 
>> >> for 
>> >>>>> 4,5 in 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the .vhd and rebuilt the firmware without changing any hal 
>> >>>>> configuration 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and stepgens 4 and 5 work fine if they are controlling 
>> different 
>> >>>>> GPIO pins 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> without making any hal changes. I jumped the GPIO pins for a 
>> >>>>> working 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> stepgen to the PCB pins I use for 4 and 5 and the interface 
>> >>>>> hardware works 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> fine that way. 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> So the conclusion I'm drawing is that there's an issue with 
>> the 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> firmware that's getting built. hm2 thinks all 6 stepgens are 
>> >> there 
>> >>>>> but 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> there is only 4 1/2 stepgens actually working. I seem to 
>> recall 
>> >>>>> there is a 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> parameter that has to change to add a certain amount of 
>> certain 
>> >>>>> pin types, 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> but I didn't think it applied in this case and I'm not sure 
>> what 
>> >>>>> it is. 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> My current VHD with SS disabled attached 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, August 17, 2019 at 6:40:07 AM UTC-4, Michael 
>> Brown 
>> >>>>> wrote: 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> OK back to being able to be online with my workstation: 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have allways had a fight setting up proper display 
>> >> resolutions 
>> >>>>> on 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the altera soc's however I can give you some key notes: 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In qsys there are 3 cores to consider: 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For display timing settings: 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> alt_vip_vfr_hdmi   (framereader) 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> alt_vip_itc_0      (Clocked video output) 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The display core clock itself: 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> pll_lcd            --> lcd_clk 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>   
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1600x900 would allow me to test it out on my mill and I 
>> might 
>> >>>>> have a 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> use for 800x480. I didn't realize the resolution was fixed, 
>> my 
>> >>>>> 1080P 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> monitors don't have a problem displaying 1024x768, all my 
>> >> other 
>> >>>>> monitors 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> do. I suppose in a real usage scenario I'd have to look 
>> >> further 
>> >>>>> into your 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> previous reply and try to figure out how to set a 
>> resolution 
>> >> for 
>> >>>>> whatever 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> monitor I intended to use. 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly there are currently no presets for these 2 resolutions 
>> >> for 
>> >>>>> the 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> framebuffer related cores (presets are found in qsys view 
>> >> menu), 
>> >>>>> as I 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> havent had use of these resolutions myself (in newer time). 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And I also have no (qsys) formula other than intuitive guess 
>> >>>>> work..... 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Last there is the Devicetree entry this is the current one: 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >> 
>> https://github.com/the-snowwhite/soc-image-buildscripts/blob/master/SD-Image-Gen/patches/4.9.76-ltsi-rt/current/0012-Added-DE-10-Nano-with-uio-with-without-framebuffer-1.patch#L291
>>  
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This entry: 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> vip@0x100031000 { 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> compatible = "altr,vip-frame-reader-1.0", 
>> >>>>> "ALTR,vip-frame-reader-9.1"; 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> reg = <0x00000001 0x00031000 0x00000080>; 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> max-width = <1024>; 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> max-height = <768>; 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> bits-per-color = <0x8>; 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> colors-per-beat = <0x4>; 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> beats-per-pixel = <0x1>; 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mem-word-width = <0x80>; 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> }; 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 9 August 2019 03:55:13 UTC+2, justin White wrote: 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 1:07:38 PM UTC-4, Michael 
>> Brown 
>> >>>>> wrote: 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not very easy from my cell phone here however: 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In qsys there are 2 instances where you set up the timings 
>> >> for 
>> >>>>> the 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen monitor. There should be some saved setups HD etc. 
>> >>>>> Lastly you need 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to place the correct screen settings in the device tree 
>> there 
>> >>>>> is a HD 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> example there too. 1920 x1080. Sorry for not being online 
>> >>>>> atm... 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gonna Give this a try soon as I get a chance. Waiting for 
>> my 
>> >>>>> friend 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to correct a minor issue with the time based filter in the 
>> RT 
>> >>>>> hal component 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> he whipped up for me for the ADC then I'll post it up here. 
>> >>>>> Maybe you can 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> include it in your project if you think it's useful. It 
>> >>>>> certainly is for 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> someone like me who only works with hal. 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well It would be nice with a hal rt component for 
>> calculating 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> temperature readings based on ntc probes instead of the 
>> python 
>> >>>>> user 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> component hal_temp_atlas I derived from the hal_temp_bbb 
>> .... 
>> >> :-) 
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>   
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> -- 
>> >>>>> Charles Steinkuehler 
>> >>>>> [email protected] 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>> 
>> >>> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> -- 
>> >> Charles Steinkuehler 
>> >> [email protected] <javascript:> 
>> >> 
>> > 
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Charles Steinkuehler 
>> [email protected] 
>>
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